Quoted for truth.effataigus wrote:Jillian is an moderately compelling character that makes most of my favorite characters less compelling through their reactions to her.
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Raza wrote:I like Jillian. She's the only character in this ridiculously mis-ethical world fighting for something worth a damn. Many of her critics seem to accept Erfworld's base assumption that furthering your side's interests is somehow a good thing; a responsibility, even. I say there is nothing good about a quest for power for your 'side' in some global free-for-all... but there is a lot to be said for living a free and thrilling life alongside your choice of lovers. Lacking an obvious way to do that peacefully and non-authoritatively, fighting for love still beats fighting for power, both ethically and poetically.
BakaGrappler wrote:Jillian is also, by far, the most well "traveled" character I have seen since The Witcher. How many love interests does she have? Had? Going to have? The story is only one and a half books long and Jillian has slept with a quarter of the more plot important characters. And if anyone dares to say "You're saying that just because she's a woman and you buy the double standard," I say that if it was a guy I would be condemning it just as hard. How am I suppose to like a woman that not only has no sense of emotional loyalty to a lover, but is actively sought after despite that obvious flaw?
Lamech wrote:I strongly disagree with the idea that Jillian is in anyway a decent person, most especially in regards to how she acts towards her objects of affection. Lets go over her recent interactions with her "lovers": Wanda: when she doesn't get her way, she: makes a false truce, tries to kill Wanda and then flies off. When Ansom turns her down she kidnaps him. Thats not the behavior of a decent person. You know who does that? Horrible, horrible people. Trying to kill someone who turns you down is NOT what a decent person does. Kidnapping someone who turns you down is NOT a decent person.
Also I would accept the brainwashing makes it okay excuse in regards to Ansom except she brainwashed her top warlord too, so that makes her a freaking hypocrite if that is her excuse. Nor has Jillian done anything that would be considered decent. She goes and attacks another side simply because she wants some cash.
So none of the above.
Raza wrote:Arguably, but I'd like to point out that the poll option only requires her to be decent in comparison to everyone else in Erfworld.
Smoker wrote:So as physically powerful as she might be, she's actually quite a failure. For that reason I find her very interesting. If it were up to me, I'd like to see her acknowledge her failures a bit more, but that doesn't stop me from liking her and her effect on the story.
SteveMB wrote:Smoker wrote:So as physically powerful as she might be, she's actually quite a failure. For that reason I find her very interesting. If it were up to me, I'd like to see her acknowledge her failures a bit more, but that doesn't stop me from liking her and her effect on the story.
She seems like the type to not acknowledge her failures unless and until she runs out of rationalizations. I suspect that she might eventually get to that point, and the path leading there could be very interesting (albeit in a Chinese-curse sense for her).
Dante wrote:The real problem is the plot contrivances that crop up in her favor like she's some kind of Arch-Fatemancer or something. It makes her come across as a Mary-Sue, even though it's generally the actions of other characters (Charlie, Don, Tramennis) that reflect on her, rather than anything she actually did by herself.
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