Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

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Re: Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

Postby danielkaplan123 » Thu May 09, 2013 5:21 pm

The discussion here got me thinking on the lateral from "Parson as a caster" to "Scrolls: what do we know about scrolls and who can cast them?"

Going back to book 1, Parson does claim to have tried to cast a Luckamancy scroll [scroll inferred from previous page where Wanda's hidden cache of scrolls is made known to Parson leading to a change in strategy], but with no perceivable effect.

For cite, see bottom row of boxes
http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F129.jpg

So perhaps anyone can cast a scroll :shock:
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Re: Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

Postby Lipkin » Fri May 10, 2013 2:59 pm

danielkaplan123 wrote:The discussion here got me thinking on the lateral from "Parson as a caster" to "Scrolls: what do we know about scrolls and who can cast them?"

Going back to book 1, Parson does claim to have tried to cast a Luckamancy scroll [scroll inferred from previous page where Wanda's hidden cache of scrolls is made known to Parson leading to a change in strategy], but with no perceivable effect.

For cite, see bottom row of boxes
http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F129.jpg

So perhaps anyone can cast a scroll :shock:

He didn't say he tried to cast a luckamancy scroll. He says he tried to cast luckamancy, and it didn't work. Well of course it didn't work, he's not a luckamancer. Basically, he was wishing for good luck.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

Postby Finn MacCool » Fri May 10, 2013 6:17 pm

or he tried to use the luckamancy in his stupid meal.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

Postby Vreejack » Sat May 11, 2013 5:05 pm

Doctor Foreman wrote:1. Things other than casters can enter the Magic Kingdom. I wouldn't take it as proof that he's a caster.


Such as...?
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Re: Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

Postby Spruce » Sun May 12, 2013 4:38 pm

Parson can enter Magic Kingdom because he's a hippiemancer and everybody was surprised in MK because they thought he's only a warlord. Simple.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

Postby drachefly » Sun May 12, 2013 11:59 pm

Vreejack wrote:
Doctor Foreman wrote:1. Things other than casters can enter the Magic Kingdom. I wouldn't take it as proof that he's a caster.


Such as...?


Stuff that casters are carrying, for instance. If Erfworld doesn't see him as a proper unit at all, he might not be a caster.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

Postby Althernai » Mon May 13, 2013 12:10 am

danielkaplan123 wrote:Going back to book 1, Parson does claim to have tried to cast a Luckamancy scroll [scroll inferred from previous page where Wanda's hidden cache of scrolls is made known to Parson leading to a change in strategy], but with no perceivable effect.

Wanda's stash had no Luckamancy scrolls (it only had Thinkamancy, Foolamancy, Shockmancy and Healomancy). He must have tried to cast it directly and obviously failed since he is not a Luckamancer and doesn't know anything about casting Luckamancy.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

Postby drachefly » Mon May 13, 2013 10:26 am

It was a part of his incomplete breakfast, and it's not clear that it failed.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

Postby multilis » Thu May 16, 2013 2:52 pm

drachefly wrote:It was a part of his incomplete breakfast, and it's not clear that it failed.

I agree, Bogroll killed Ansom, he leveled twice which suggests that was not easy.

Parson's stats are not visible like others, possible also no visible effect when Parson casts spells.

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Charlie used one of his own calculations, may be more than trying to convince Parson. May also be trying to find out what Parson can do, gain intel on a unit in non-obvious way, Charlie is obsessed with gaining intel on everything for personal profit. Though in this case may backfire as his question on using calculations for future backfired in opening up more options for Parson.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

Postby Chit Rule Railroad » Thu May 16, 2013 8:56 pm

tigerusthegreat wrote:But in reality the only reason to remove an entire type of casting, and change it to something else is if you are going to have someone be that type of caster....or if you are just trying to make a joke.

He doesn't mention it much, but Rob Balder has played with the notion that he himself exists in Erfworld as a Titan. I think he included retconjuration as an in-universe mechanism because he thought he'd be able to use it for meta reasons without breaching the fourth wall. The Titans' super-mortal magic is like the gloves of a glovebox.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

Postby Vreejack » Wed May 22, 2013 7:55 pm

Doctor Foreman wrote:
tigerusthegreat wrote:
But in reality the only reason to remove an entire type of casting, and change it to something else is if you are going to have someone be that type of caster....or if you are just trying to make a joke.


Only if you're thinking from a plot-based perspective. It's entirely legitimate to put it in as a theoretical anomaly a la Tom Bombadil, to add mystery and texture to the setting.


Rob claimed he needed to retcon something and so he decided to double down and make it an actual Erfworld power. Pretty smart, actually, since my odds analyzer predicts the odds of never needing to retcon again to be approximately zero to fourteen decimal places.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 108 - Charlie considers Parson a caster?

Postby coyotenose » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:58 pm

bladestorm wrote:The mechanic could be similar to how units get a stack bonus up to eight for the stack, so almost no one ever uses a stack over eight.


On a tangent, I think this needs some clarification. When Parson was describing stack rules, he did say that stacks over eight were rare. He said that eight was a common number. This would be because mathematically it's best for a Side to waste as few bonuses as possible. But that is only a general rule, not necessarilyapplicable to a particular battle or hex. We actually see a lot of examples of stacks larger than eight:

- The doombats used against Stanley's dwagons.
- Caesar's personal stack against Stanley.
- The last two stacks led by warlords against Jillian in the lake battle merged.
- Pikers and infantry in some battles are certainly merged stacks. Consider Haggar's forces. They were presumably trained to fight as both eight-unit stacks and in mass combat. The point of pikes, after all, is to create a wall of stabby.
- Siege towers of the RCC may or may not be examples. Possibly each floor of the tower is a stack.
- Vinne implied that the RCC column consisted of some very large stacks when he noted the enemy that he saw and said, "...we shoulda lost five or six whole stacks before we beat those guys." He was not implying that they should have lost only 40 or 48 Marbits before beating a stack of dwagons and three warlords.
- Artemis had 11 Knights in her stack.

Given what Artemis thinks during her battle about how her Archery special allows her to fire at any target within range, ignoring the "normal" procedure of attacking the same targets as the rest of her stack, and Parson's order to merge stacks to attack Jillian over the lake (wholly unnecessary from a mathematical standpoint), I think a stack tends to be "however many allied units are fighting a particular foe or group of foes."
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