Oberon wrote:So, you're saying that a magic automatic teller card that lets you withdraw a million dollars is worth less than a million dollars? That is contrary to my point, and it makes perfect sense to me that the card is worth the million dollars. If you had the card, would you sell it to me for $100,000? Because I would be taking that offer!
I think I know where the flaw and the shaky logic lies in this exchange, and it isn't with me.
Your flaw is this: "is worth the same as" =/= "is"
It is? How so? If there is any difference at all, it is 150,000 shmuckers in my favor. Or more. Stanley paid 350,000 shmuckers for the scroll, and could sell the bracer for 500,00 or more, and still keep Parson, glasses, and sword.
So while I'll agree that 500,000 shmuckers, Parson, glasses, and sword != 350,000 shmuckers, I think you'll be hard pressed to describe to me why I should value the 350,000 shmucker scroll LESS than what I got for it. Especially since there is a clear apples-to-apples comparison between 350,000 and 500,000+, we don't even need to haggle about the worth of the other benefits the scroll brought to see that.
And no, shmuckers aren't artifacts. That way leads to madness, try to remain focused. I don't want to go down the road of determining how many shmuckers need to be gathered together before they qualify as a "heap" vs a "pile." Other men have done that before me to no good conclusion other than a lot of logic exercises.
Both items and artifacts are purchasable. Items we have seen purchased: The summoning scroll, be it item or artifact, and also less powerful scrolls of spells. And by the logic of "Sizemore thinks the bracer might be an artifact" plus "Sizemore said it could be sold for 500,000 shmuckers or more" then artifacts also are able to be bought and sold, assuming you can find an owner willing to part with one, and that you have the shmuckers to make the purchase.
But a scroll that brings you, by far, more value than the cost? Including an item that may be an artifact? That is an artifact to me, if we're measuring by "power level" rather than "origin."
I don't think you ever answered my question. Are you going to sell me that magic ATM card that will allow me to withdraw $1,000,000 for $100,000? Do you really value something less than what it can be exchanged for, even when there is a straight up apples-to-apples comparison which can be made?