Yucca wrote:His reasoning goes like this: 1.The bracer is an artifact. 2. Only artifacts can provide artifacts. 3. The spell provided an artifact. 4. Therefore the spell is an artifact. 5. The spell was created by mortal casters. 6. Therefore mortal casters are able to create artifacts.
There are three flaws.
First, he has provided no strong evidence for point 1. Sizemore said "maybe artifact" when he was still unsure of the object's origin. Yes that's a reference to the objects "power level", but it was made in absence of knowledge of the object's creator. If he knew it was mortally created and still said that then it would be stronger evidence. Sizemore made a definitive comment earlier in the story about the dividing line being the creator.
Flaw two: No evidence what so ever for point 2. None. Even his logic is shaky.
So, you're saying that a magic automatic teller card that lets you withdraw a million dollars is worth less than a million dollars? That is contrary to my point, and it makes perfect sense to me that the card is worth the million dollars. If you had the card, would you sell it to me for $100,000? Because I would be taking that offer!
I think I know where the flaw and the shaky logic lies in this exchange, and it isn't with me.
Yucca wrote:Number 3 flaw: Point 1 assumes that mortals can make artifacts. Since we know that the bracer is mortal made, using this as a basic premise is akin to saying "If I assume that mortals can make artifacts, then I can prove that mortals can make artifacts."
Point one assumes that Sizemore may be correct. And that he isn't far off if he is incorrect. Sizemore is, after all, the primary character through which the reader learns about the magic system. He is Parson's tutor in the mechanics of Erfworld. If he is shown to be wrong too many times it would place a huge cloud of doubt over everything the reader has been told about how magic works. And that would be horrible writing. Which is why his estimation must be taken at face value.
Point 1 then goes on to sum the values of the "maybe artifact" bracer along with the sword and Parson with 3D glasses and concludes that it is highly likely that the value (power level) of the scroll must be considered to be that of an artifact. However, from your statement in "Flaw 2" it appears that even if the bracer is determined to be an artifact that you do not value the thing that brought you that artifact, and a smart Warlord, and 2 other magic items, as much as the things it produced for you. And I must disagree strongly with your value system.
Yucca wrote:To be clear: this is how I interpret his posts. I'm not trying to force a straw man on anyone.
I appreciate that. You have stated my position fairly accurately.