DoctorJest wrote:Since Wanda believes Fate is inevitable and isn't a matter of choice, this is not a deal breaker. If Fate required consent, you'd have a point. But since Wanda believes Charlie has a role to play laid out for him (as she bluntly stated) I doubt she'd balk about Charlie. Wanda feels as if none of them have any choice. What Charlie wants wouldn't matter one whit to her.
Ditch a willing follower of Fate for one that does not, and has proven time and again as manipulative, unreliable and enigmatic? Sure Fate has a part for Charlie, but I seriously doubt Wanda sees that part as her ally; imo it would make no sense. Charlie can and will be approached, later.
DoctorJest wrote:First, we don't know the details of the deal between Charlie and Jillian.
Second, Jillian may not use the decrypted in the same manner as GK has been. Jillian doesn't want to conquer the world. She might agree to do so for Wanda's sake, but it's not a driving goal with her like it is with Stanley.
First, that is irrelevant; we're not discussing any Jillian/Charlie contract we're discussing a putative Wanda-Charlie alliance by way of Faq. Second, Wanda is a dangerous caster. Period. She wants the world, because the world contains the Arkentools and possible unattuned opposition to getting them. That will be bad for Charlie. And also->
DoctorJest wrote:Finally, what Charlie will or will not agree to doesn't matter in this instance.
Huh? If Charlie breaks off alliance with Faq, then the whole point of Wanda's turning to Faq (attuned wielder) is lost. Supposedly, Wanda is smart enough to know that.
DoctorJest wrote:It's if Wanda will agree to ally with Jillian on trust alone. Because, once more, Jillian isn't saying to Wanda "Hey Charlie has a Tool too, so if you change to my side, it's not violating your Fate!" she's saying "If you change to my side it's not violating your Fate Mission Thing, but I can't tell you how. You just have to trust me and turn".
About that, why ISN'T she saying directly that she's allied to Charlie? It would spare everyone (I mean Jillian and Wanda) grief by getting this over with quickly .... that is if it had a chance of working. If Charlie was a juicy enough incentive to get Wanda to turn, Jillian probably would have said so.
All this "trust me" business feels fishy, and for once it's not the tinfoil hat speaking as other posters here have had the same comment.
DoctorJest wrote:So all this speculation of "Wanda wouldn't agree to ally with Charlie!" or vice versa is irrelevant, because that's not the dilemma being presented here. The question is, will Wanda trust Jillian and turn sight unseen.
If she won't then this has been an awful lot of set up for nothing, so I suspect she will. The widening rift between Wanda and Stanley's authority is being brought to it's final conclusion, whatever that might be.
Oh, but it is very relevant. We want to guess what Jillian has up her sleeve. This discussion was meant, from the very beginning, to show that whatever it is, it's not Charlie's allied status as incentive for Wanda.
PS: so let's assume that Wanda turns "sight unseen". Jillian reveals the contents of the surprise- Charlie! Attuned wielder, everything's fine ... except that the whole issue of whether Charlie or Wanda would like to be allies pops up with even more relevance. And if Wanda could just turn to Faq on Jillian's request, why not immediately desert back to GK when the surprise offer happens to be underwhelming?
The whole point of this is lost if you keep it a secret.