Book 2 – Page 28

[Anias]

Also, if it weren't for Jillian, Charlie would have been unable to pull off the Kingsquest spell, which turned the RCC2 from out-and-out losing to basically routing GK.

Hmm, I dunno about these two points. I get the feeling that Charlie could have gotten a caster (who doesn't even belong to his side) into the fight, either by archon-transport or by contacting some of the more reasonable members of the RCCII like Don King. He probably could have pulled off the Kingworld spell somehow, if he was willing to invest a little time and/or money in things.

And as for routing GK? I'm doubting that. Maybe keep this from being a curb-stomp by GK, or even outright keeping them from winning, but I don't see a rout in the offing. Figure Wanda's more-or-less safe for the moment - there aren't enough troops in the city that can hurt her, Jillian has decided not to kill her (and for plot reasons, it seems unlikely that she'd really try), and Tramennis (who has the casters and archers) is still vacillating between "pull back and defend the city" and "attack Ansom like the crazy-lady-who-just-got-Sammy-Hagar-killed wanted." So Wanda's safe from the troops in the city, may, or may not have to worry about Tramennis' troops, and doesn't have much to worry about from Jillian.

If Tramennis brings up troops, well, it'll be a hard fight, but selective attacks by a high-powered, highly-maneuverable flying attack force should be enough to take out any anti-air, consolidate and either safely retreat or go for the kill. As for Ansom, he was left with a not-inconsiderable force, and while it almost certainly can't stand up to the full force of the troops Tramennis and Jillian (plus the remnants of Hagar) have assembled, they (or at least Tramennis and Hagar) may decide that it's in their best interests to go on the defensive rather than pushing for a Pyrrhic victory.

So it seems kinda unlikely that GK will be totally routed, if for no other reason that they have so much power assembled, and that their opponents' positions are as delicate as their own. Hagar has lost many good troops, including a powerful rocker royal warlord (maybe their chief warlord), and is not in a position to benefit either by watching Jetstone destroyed or by capturing Spacerock themselves. Jetstone has their forces separated from their capital, which is being overflown by a large and extremely powerful air force capable of slaughtering all in the city and wiping out/converting the side (due to the lack of an heir or the fact that the former heir has been decrypted). Oh, and Jetstone's troops are intermixed with those of Hagar, who they want to keep a VERY close eye on. It may not be a total win for GK, or a win at all, but it won't be a rout.

[the_tick_rules]

I get the feeling the complex inter-personal issues will render any logical guess of what will happen next virtually impossible. It's LIAB for a reason.

[Dunham]

Huh, you know, that is one thing that has yet to be explained, and kinda got pushed to back burner: the missing Gobwins. I wonder if that will come into play here in the fight for Jetstone?

[Lamech]

While TV has no way of knowing this, Jillian brought in Charlie, no way anyone else would have allowed Charlie to bring his linked caster in. Also seeing as how archons can knock enemies on the ground fairly easily, I don't think a flying warlord defense would work very well, it probably end with a bunch of warlords on the ground and Ceaser dying very painfully to Wanda and co.

Stay in the city strategy sucked in general. They should have attacked first, together with Jetstone (i mean Transylvito) with all the bats, and all the units they popped for this Faq invested money. Then in critical moment of the attack, Ossomer drops Wanda of the Dwagon(tesla) and they finish her with Cesar. KO most of GK units. Flawless. Also i might add that bats with doubled leadership from dittomancer would rock hard. The way they did it they just wasted resources, time, money, exp for warlords and most probably whole campaign.

And no attacking would have been moronic. The warlords on Jetstones side would have walked into a pack of dwagons, and archons. All their top forces, including the casters they would have needed to bring (remember how those were important?), would have croaked. And then things would have gone downhill from their.

[the_tick_rules]

Huh, you know, that is one thing that has yet to be explained, and kinda got pushed to back burner: the missing Gobwins. I wonder if that will come into play here in the fight for Jetstone?

I dunno when but it's gonna be relevant sometime.

[Intruder]

Honestly, the hold up at home strategy seems to be an act of desperation and as such I'm loathe to hold it against them since it's pretty obviously a worst case scenario that only came about due to the bizarre ending of TBFGK turning everything on its head. I mean, yes, ideally, you'd want to chop off the head of the beast in such a situation. The decrypted army is simply too good at absorbing its foes to be very vulnerable to attrition. Sitting at home and hoping Wanda comes to you AND boops up badly enough to expose herself to being neutralized or having her army crushed so thoroughly that she cannot decrypt enough units to matter again does sound pretty naive. And yet, that's the sort of thing they're basically stuck hoping for. Now, what hits you as more likely: That Slately, the very man who has said that Wanda is everything was too dumb to recognize that offense was preferable or do you think it's more likely that Slately wishes he could have gone on the attack but realizes that he simply doesn't have the horses for that race? I'm betting on the latter. The current situation is a direct result of RCCII being too weak to be effective outside of making a counter attack from a position of strength. It's a classic "make the best of a bad situation" scenario, just like TBFGK was.

[homeosapiens]

You didnt quote all of the things i wrote.

I said that the Faq investment gave them surprise only. And how come dragons mess up bats? Havent we seen it before? Bats vs really strong dragons? now they have maybe two times more of them. Archons and skanks are preety much the same thing, so it comes now for dragons vs bats. Bats can make bigger stack's - we see it when Cesar attacks atanley. Those in his stack carry his full bonus (hes probably around 10, i dont believe he is 8), so it means total bonus with dittomancer would be +20 for their chief warlord + dancefighting.

As for Veil - such a big one can be spotted real easy. Generally attacking there would be a great idea, becouse GK is really weak there.1300 units +100 fliers, from total of 9500 units? Thats like nothing compared to what they have. Remember when they attack - it's they're turn. Wanda preety much wouldnt be able to run like now she isnt. !300 units it's the whole column, and all of that dont pack into one hex - another + for the plan. Becouse on RCCII turn we can move more units in, when we lose some, and they can't. Only objective is to kill Wanda. It practically cant be this hard. One archon's beam can incapacitate her.

Sure dragons are strong, but they are numerically inferior to bats a lot. With all those caster's from Jetstone i believe TV and J would overpovered one hex of GK forces, killed Wanda and lived happily ever after. Let;s just remember before the air assalut in first hex there were only fliers and a token of infantry.

Sure Jetstone could lose some casters during the attack, but i am willing to say that they would taka it for stopping GK from world domination+ retrieving arkentool.

[ftl]

As for Veil - such a big one can be spotted real easy.

It wasn't. Ansom had veiled all those dwagons as siege stacks, and pulled off the ruse successfully for as long as he wanted to keep it up. So, you're pretty much wrong on that veil being easily spotted, we know from the story that it *wasn't* easily spotted.

Generally attacking there would be a great idea, becouse GK is really weak there.1300 units +100 fliers, from total of 9500 units? Thats like nothing compared to what they have. Remember when they attack - it's they're turn. Wanda preety much wouldnt be able to run like now she isnt. !300 units it's the whole column, and all of that dont pack into one hex - another + for the plan. Becouse on RCCII turn we can move more units in, when we lose some, and they can't.

And, remember, that hex was structured that way during was GK's turn, and they were preparing for an attack. When they're ready to end turn, they'd naturally shuffle their forces around to a more defensive position.

Only objective is to kill Wanda. It practically cant be this hard.

Yes, yes it can. She's the key to all of GK's success, and will be their most heavily-guarded unit. It's not much easier to kill Wanda than it is to pick off Stanley or Slately.

One archon's beam can incapacitate her.

And Wanda would have no reason to go within range of an Archon's beam, not when defending.

Heck, we have another example. Prince Sammy had one objective - to croak Ansom. He couldn't do it, even with Ansom's forces being badly-arranged due to the sudden turn cutoff. Why do you think Wanda, with her full dwagon complement, would be any easier?

Sure dragons are strong, but they are numerically inferior to bats a lot. With all those caster's from Jetstone i believe TV and J would overpovered one hex of GK forces, killed Wanda and lived happily ever after. Let;s just remember before the air assalut in first hex there were only fliers and a token of infantry.

It was also their turn, and they wouldn't have ended turn that way; Jetstone was also woefully misinformed about the forces in that hex and, should they have tried an assault, would have brought all the wrong forces and been completely surprised.

Sure Jetstone could lose some casters during the attack, but i am willing to say that they would taka it for stopping GK from world domination+ retrieving arkentool.

If Jetstone lost any casters, Wanda would be able to decrypt them and use them. That wouldn't *stop* GK, it would double their caster numbers.

[homeosapiens]

Finnally some discussion.

As for Veil - such a big one can be spotted real easy.

It wasn't. Ansom had veiled all those dwagons as siege stacks, and pulled off the ruse successfully for as long as he wanted to keep it up. So, you're pretty much wrong on that veil being easily spotted, we know from the story that it *wasn't* easily spotted.

Generally attacking there would be a great idea, becouse GK is really weak there.1300 units +100 fliers, from total of 9500 units? Thats like nothing compared to what they have. Remember when they attack - it's they're turn. Wanda preety much wouldnt be able to run like now she isnt. !300 units it's the whole column, and all of that dont pack into one hex - another + for the plan. Becouse on RCCII turn we can move more units in, when we lose some, and they can't.

And, remember, that hex was structured that way during was GK's turn, and they were preparing for an attack. When they're ready to end turn, they'd naturally shuffle their forces around to a more defensive position.

Only objective is to kill Wanda. It practically cant be this hard.

Yes, yes it can. She's the key to all of GK's success, and will be their most heavily-guarded unit. It's not much easier to kill Wanda than it is to pick off Stanley or Slately.

One archon's beam can incapacitate her.

And Wanda would have no reason to go within range of an Archon's beam, not when defending.

Heck, we have another example. Prince Sammy had one objective - to croak Ansom. He couldn't do it, even with Ansom's forces being badly-arranged due to the sudden turn cutoff. Why do you think Wanda, with her full dwagon complement, would be any easier?

Sure dragons are strong, but they are numerically inferior to bats a lot. With all those caster's from Jetstone i believe TV and J would overpovered one hex of GK forces, killed Wanda and lived happily ever after. Let;s just remember before the air assalut in first hex there were only fliers and a token of infantry.

It was also their turn, and they wouldn't have ended turn that way; Jetstone was also woefully misinformed about the forces in that hex and, should they have tried an assault, would have brought all the wrong forces and been completely surprised.

Sure Jetstone could lose some casters during the attack, but i am willing to say that they would taka it for stopping GK from world domination+ retrieving arkentool.

If Jetstone lost any casters, Wanda would be able to decrypt them and use them. That wouldn't *stop* GK, it would double their caster numbers.

Those guy's wasnt is the same hex, that's why they probably didnt get spot checks for veil.

Sure, more defensive position. Still it seems that hex has limits of units from one side. Ansom said "pack this hex tight with best we have", not "bring them all here", most probably becouse there is a limit. And if there is a limit, then beeing able to reinforce hex assalut is a big adventage.

I wouldnt say so. So what? She is guarded? I already said the strategy to win airfight. There might be time when there is noone to guard.

Ansom's forces were arranged very good, thats one.He prepared before the turn cutoff. Second point is that Ansom is a high level warlord. Warlord's are much harder to kill then casters(have more hits). This is based on Jack's stats, and on on egzample how long did it take to kill Ansom during TBFGK - fight undead, fight Wanda+fliers, fall, release air defenses +Bogroll. Also probably Sammy was level or two lower than him and went to duel him, reckressly.

They could send a scout stack first, possibly veled skanks, who beeing archon-like units might be able to detect veils to. Whatever they did its much better than waiting for GK to attack.

The whole plan consists of attacking it till Wanda is dead. So the casters wont get decrypted.

[Nihila]

When would TV attack? The RCC takes its turn after GK, and without Jillian, Charlie couldn't have talked to any RCC members, so the Kingworld spell wouldn't have happened. Because the turn is later in the day, GK would have managed the decapitating strike on the capital, though the "conversion" of Ossomer may have been harder.

[ftl]

Those guy's wasnt is the same hex, that's why they probably didnt get spot checks for veil.

Right, and once they WERE in the same hex, it would be too late.

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Sure, more defensive position. Still it seems that hex has limits of units from one side. Ansom said "pack this hex tight with best we have", not "bring them all here", most probably becouse there is a limit. And if there is a limit, then beeing able to reinforce hex assalut is a big adventage.
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Right. The army is split over multiple hexes... and Wanda would probably end turn in a hex that's surrounded by other hexes full of units. So they'd have to fight through at least one hex of units, probably led by a high-level warlord, and THEN fight Wanda's hex.

Or she'd be in a hex that's further back away from the front lines, so to get to it you'd have to fight through a hex full of units while ONLY having with you your highest-move units, being forced to leave the bulk of your army behind in the strike.

Either way, Wanda would be hard to get to.

I wouldnt say so. So what? She is guarded? I already said the strategy to win airfight. There might be time when there is noone to guard.

Wanda can choose whether to be in the ground or in the air - she can land, you know. You'd have to win both ground and air fights and take the hex to get to Wanda. Also, I don't think that TV *could* win the air fight - defeating that many dwagons would take TV's entire airforce, and even that might not be enough, and TV can't spare their entire airforce, they're surrounded by other petty squabbling neighbors.

Ansom's forces were arranged very good, thats one.He prepared before the turn cutoff.

Right, and even then he was preparing with a majority of his army away, either behind or with Wanda. And yet he still could prepare well enough so that Sammy's forces were the first wave at best. It would be that much harder to attack GK when they were fully prepared to end turn and not just half-heartedly so.

Second point is that Ansom is a high level warlord. Warlord's are much harder to kill then casters(have more hits). This is based on Jack's stats, and on on egzample how long did it take to kill Ansom during TBFGK - fight undead, fight Wanda+fliers, fall, release air defenses +Bogroll. Also probably Sammy was level or two lower than him and went to duel him, reckressly.

Number of hits doesn't matter if you don't get within range to take a swing. Sammy didn't even get to duel Ansom - he was outnumbered the entire time. It was the pikers that killed him, Ansom just dealt the finishing blow after he already had four spears in him. If it was wanda there, she'd just retreat behind the row of pikers and not fight herself.

They could send a scout stack first, possibly veled skanks, who beeing archon-like units might be able to detect veils to. Whatever they did its much better than waiting for GK to attack.

Since when can skanks veil themselves? Since when can skanks see through veils? I've seen no indication that they can do anything of the sort. Or are you now making up powers for TV to pretend like their units are stronger than they are?

The whole plan consists of attacking it till Wanda is dead. So the casters wont get decrypted.

So, you said yourself - the hex can only take a limited number of units at a time. Do you send the casters in with the first wave into Wanda's hex? Then they get croaked and decrypted, and the next waves are screwed. Do you send them in only with the last wave? Then the early waves are being sent into a meatgrinder and decrypted as they get croaked, so you don't make any headway because Wanda keeps getting more units.

Besides, plans fail and go wrong all the time. I don't think that plan would be successful. The attack would fail. By attacking Wanda with casters, you've just created a situation where IF your plan goes wrong in any way, you've just doubled GK's casters (with no upkeep!) Heck, even what *Unaroyal* did is better than that plan.

No, trying to strike at the heart of the army isn't a good idea unless you really can get overwhelming force, and Jetstone+TV wouldn't be able to. It's easier to get overwhelming force on defense - hold cities, hold choke points at least for some time, long enough to deal damage to decrypted and then hold the hex so they can't decrypt your dead, retreat on your own terms to the next defensible position. Delay until you get enough allies together so that you CAN get overwhelming force. That's what Jetstone tried to do. They failed because Jack and foolamancy outsmarted them, causing them to defend against the wrong thing, and because their other allies were royal ****s. (King Dickie).

Otherwise, without overwhelming force, to beat the decrypted army you'd have to outsmart them - find a way to lure Wanda out into the open, try to feed her misleading intel to get her to defend or attack with the wrong composition of forces. And that's what Charlie did. Set a trap - a situation where Wanda would be tempted to leave the majority of the army behind for a surgical strike, and then spring a surprise to catch her off-guard.

The trap can be on either offense or defense - the key is that you need to create a situation where you can apply overwhelming force locally, because the decrypted army is out of position or mismanaged. I don't think "being on defense" and forcing the army to be split over multiple hexes creates enough of a disadvantage for that to work, because the positional advantages from being on defense counteract that.

[Reclaimer]

Archons and skanks are preety much the same thing

Yeeeah I really doubt that. They're similar in that they're both knight-class fliers with minor spellcasting abilities, but if they were as tough as Archons TV would prolly be ruling the world, forget Charlie. That's like comparing a Humvee to an M1A1 Abrams just because they've both got a machine gun and are made out of metal.

One archon's beam can incapacitate her.

lolwhat. It took four Archons with massive Leadership/Decrypt bonuses to stun Ossomer for like ten seconds. Ossomer is Ansom Lite, and Wanda had big enough cajones to take Real Ansom on in single combat back when he was still Real Ansom. She's incredibly BA for a caster, not the frail pushover most other casters tend to be. And that was before she got the Artifact Bonus.

I don't see Charlie letting any more of his precious Archons get within 'Cryptin' radius of Wanda, anyways. If even one dies, then she's got another Goth Archon, not to mention updated intel on whatever Charlie's been up to lately. It's just too big of a gamble, which I suspect is why he's playing this one so close to his chest.

[Lamech]

!300 units it's the whole column, and all of that dont pack into one hex - another + for the plan. Becouse on RCCII turn we can move more units in, when we lose some, and they can't. Only objective is to kill Wanda. It practically cant be this hard. One archon's beam can incapacitate her.

Parson mentions a forest hex, its probably where Wanda was before she moved up to the bridge, attacking that with Jetstone's ground forces would probably have gone like this:
Ossomer: Its a viel! Quick who here is a forest unit!
Cricket: Cricket, cricket, cricket...
Ossemer and co.: Ghack! Yes, mistress we'll help you fight translovito as soon as we're on the dwagons.

Second point is that Ansom is a high level warlord. Warlord's are much harder to kill then casters(have more hits). This is based on Jack's stats, and on on egzample how long did it take to kill Ansom during TBFGK - fight undead, fight Wanda+fliers, fall, release air defenses +Bogroll. Also probably Sammy was level or two lower than him and went to duel him, reckressly.

Jack... had half the hits of a heavy, and Jack was in non-combat gear. Please note said heavy survived the fall that killed Ansom. Thats not exactly weak. And Jack doesn't seem to be the kind of caster who goes into melee whenever he can... Wanda on the other had does. In fact she did just fine against a Ansom a warlord 2+ levels above her wielding an arkentool.

One archon's beam can incapacitate her.

No, one archon beam can bounce uselessly off her shield. And three more can toast her uncroaked mount and falling from a very high dive can incapacitate her, assuming she falls head first.

[homeosapiens]

When would TV attack? The RCC takes its turn after GK, and without Jillian, Charlie couldn't have talked to any RCC members, so the Kingworld spell wouldn't have happened. Because the turn is later in the day, GK would have managed the decapitating strike on the capital, though the "conversion" of Ossomer may have been harder.

I already mentioned this somewhere. Kingsworld gave them only surprise, which is wasted by Jillian not attacking Wanda. They pretty much dont have anything to threat her now.

Tryed to quote ftl here, but didnt work out - just look in his post.


Too late for what? They were meant to attack with all they have, so the recon doesnt mean THAT much.

About warlords - they only give bonuses to the units is their stacks, Afaic, so this doesnt mean too much.(the hexes outside with high level warlord)

The Leadership Bonus of a Warlord is conferred upon all Units in the same stack.

They make hex without a chief warlord and chief croakamancer - it goes down with almost no loses. just +3 from ansom and +1 from Wanda can cause casualtys so minor, that not albe to notice.

I said earlier thay they already have problems with neighbors becouse of this Faq pumping. They would have much bigger army now, and army is what gives respect. Maybe they still would get attacked, but they would probably lose a city or two, nothing too important or impossible to reverse. And after they wont the battle with all those units bought for Faq wasted money they could retake it and expand.

Well let me put it this way. Sammy got suicidal mission, attacked well preapared stack of top units, with chief warlord, heavies, high level pikers and so on. The very best infantry they had. He said he has 500 rockers, but they lost leadership cause of his foolishness. Sure he was meant to be first weave, and so what? The hex was packed MAX. So they arent half-prepared. Only thing they are missing is Wanda bonus.

You dont like skank, theory? Hire Charlie, he's willing. Do whatever it takes. After all all i am saying is that RCCII guys are behaving stupid!

Archons and skanks are preety much the same thing

Yeeeah I really doubt that. They're similar in that they're both knight-class fliers with minor spellcasting abilities, but if they were as tough as Archons TV would prolly be ruling the world, forget Charlie. That's like comparing a Humvee to an M1A1 Abrams just because they've both got a machine gun and are made out of metal.

One archon's beam can incapacitate her.

lolwhat. It took four Archons with massive Leadership/Decrypt bonuses to stun Ossomer for like ten seconds. Ossomer is Ansom Lite, and Wanda had big enough cajones to take Real Ansom on in single combat back when he was still Real Ansom. She's incredibly BA for a caster, not the frail pushover most other casters tend to be. And that was before she got the Artifact Bonus.

I don't see Charlie letting any more of his precious Archons get within 'Cryptin' radius of Wanda, anyways. If even one dies, then she's got another Goth Archon, not to mention updated intel on whatever Charlie's been up to lately. It's just too big of a gamble, which I suspect is why he's playing this one so close to his chest.

Why Charlie's archons are this powerfull? Cause they get to fight all the time and they level a lot. And Charlie can pop them really fast. TV can't pop skanks this fast, probably can't pop them at all - skank=ellite goyle, high level goyle, so sth close to archon. But thats just my theory.

This wasn't a direct beam. It affected whole stack, not a single unit. She didnt have any close cojones to take him. She had a STACK. Stacking gives bonuses. Her beeing croackamancer gives undead units and mounts bonuses. That's why they got him, and it wasn't even her - it was undead Webinar.

One archon's beam can incapacitate her.

No, one archon beam can bounce uselessly off her shield. And three more can toast her uncroaked mount and falling from a very high dive can incapacitate her, assuming she falls head first.

Actually this changes nothing. Now it can be her mount too.

[Nihila]

I already mentioned this somewhere. Kingsworld gave them only surprise, which is wasted by Jillian not attacking Wanda. They pretty much dont have anything to threat her now.

I disagree. If Trammenis is made heir, Kingworld will have bought the RCC much more than that. It will mean that Jetstone survives.

Just +3 from ansom and +1 from Wanda can cause casualties so minor, that not able to notice.

And bonuses from any warlords in the stacks. Oh, and even if all conceivable bonuses are packed in, there still should be noticeable killed and wounded.

Hire Charlie, he's willing. Do whatever it takes. After all all i am saying is that RCCII guys are behaving stupid!

A major theme of this book is emotions making people do stupid things. The people in Erfworld are just that--people. They feel love, hate, and fear. In this case, try fear. They're afraid of Charlie. They don't want him anywhere near them. Besides Sammy's brutal nature, why do you think he tortured the Archons?

[Reclaimer]

Why Charlie's archons are this powerfull? Cause they get to fight all the time and they level a lot. And Charlie can pop them really fast. TV can't pop skanks this fast, probably can't pop them at all - skank=ellite goyle, high level goyle, so sth close to archon. But thats just my theory.

I'm still unconvinced on this point, since TV's never fielded Skanks to any significant effect, whereas it's Archonpalooza like every five minutes. The summer update where Goyles are mentioned barely spares three sentences for their description, and just says "like Archons", not "on par with Archons". We'd really need to see the girls in action before we reach any final conclusions though.

She didnt have any close cojones to take him. She had a STACK. Stacking gives bonuses. Her beeing croackamancer gives undead units and mounts bonuses. That's why they got him, and it wasn't even her - it was undead Webinar.

Stacking gives bonuses to... everything but the Warlord/Caster at the top. Wanda had Parson's very pathetic hex-wide bonus at that point in time, and that's about it.

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Doesn't really matter who struck the blow after a certain point; last panel shows a Caster locking weapons with somebody two levels higher than her (A Warlord, no less) and not getting instantly smote. Also note that he has an artifact, whereas she just has that random staff that came with her costume change. Wanda is a badass, and there's no denying it. I'm not saying she was about to beat Annie up and take his lunch money, but she went right up to him and took a swing nevertheless.

Edit: Also, Webinar was a Trioxin-spawned Uncroaked. As Parson notes, such Uncroaked are the weakest kind, meaning Wanda commanded enough of his attention that her wussy familiar was able to come around and smack him upside the gob. Ansom knew they were both there, and he'd been dusting Uncroaked left and right immediately prior to his brawl with Wanda, so it's not like Websy snuck up and got in a lucky shot; there was simply nothing he could do about it, because if he shifted to defend Wanda would've gone Riot Grrl on him.

[homeosapiens]

Doesn't really matter who struck the blow after a certain point; last panel shows a Caster locking weapons with somebody two levels higher than her (A Warlord, no less) and not getting instantly smote. Also note that he has an artifact, whereas she just has that random staff that came with her costume change. Wanda is a badass, and there's no denying it. I'm not saying she was about to beat Annie up and take his lunch money, but she went right up to him and took a swing nevertheless.

Edit: Also, Webinar was a Trioxin-spawned Uncroaked. As Parson notes, such Uncroaked are the weakest kind, meaning Wanda commanded enough of his attention that her wussy familiar was able to come around and smack him upside the gob. Ansom knew they were both there, and he'd been dusting Uncroaked left and right immediately prior to his brawl with Wanda, so it's not like Websy snuck up and got in a lucky shot; there was simply nothing he could do about it, because if he shifted to defend Wanda would've gone Riot Grrl on him.

Weakest kind, but it always resemble orginal power. Not like if she payed enough attention, but more than if it would be infantry unit.

[Nihila]

Weakest kind, but it always resemble orginal power. Not like if she payed enough attention, but more than if it would be infantry unit.

Where does it say that it always resembles the original power? This is pure curiosity, my memory is not great, but I do like be shown the page.

[homeosapiens]

http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F116.jpg
It is not stated strictly. It is said that undead resemble their orginal strenht closer when you pay more attention. Contrary logic is that they resemble their orginal power less when you pay less attention. So weekest kind of undead is the one that resembles orignal power in the least. That's rather a valid theory, but still theory. It fits more than say, every unit is same strenght when you mass animate it, becouse why would Wanda bother picking Webinar?

[DoctorJest]

http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F116.jpg
It is not stated strictly. It is said that undead resemble their orginal strenht closer when you pay more attention. Contrary logic is that they resemble their orginal power less when you pay less attention. So weekest kind of undead is the one that resembles orignal power in the least. That's rather a valid theory, but still theory. It fits more than say, every unit is same strenght when you mass animate it, becouse why would Wanda bother picking Webinar?

Um... what?