ftl wrote:Well, the maybe-wounded-warlord plus half of Haggar's army and their Chief Warlord croaked. Don't forget that - as Sammy said, they were going in as the first wave, and so they did. First wave to soften up the position, second wave to deal the killing blow.
And, even before the first wave, Jillian was attacking a far weaker position - a Chief Warlord, no casters, either no or little archery and other warlords (we certainly didn't see any, though apparently there were a few), compared to a hex with three casters, a stack full of noble warlords, the Chief Warlord AND the next-in-line for CW status.
Heck, you can compare it shot for shot. The damage to Ansom was done because the pink goop could only disable one of the two of Oss and Trem; in Jillian's assault, she only needed to disable Ansom. The damage to the archons and Jack was done by the arrows - quadrupled by a dittomancer, whereas Ansom had little archery and no dittomancer.
As Parson said, Ansom going down was just a matter of time, and it was a question of how much damage he could do before being taken. He successfully killed a CW and Royal Heir from Haggar before being captured - that's MORE than Ossomer's capture cost.
Ansom Gotti put it a lot better than I did. But to summarize: Jillian PAID FAR LESS OF A COST THAN WANDA DID. And also WITH PRACTICALLY NO PREP AND PLANNING LIKE WANDA HAD TO.
I spelled it out for you earlier, again a recap:
Wanda's losses: 1 Archon killed, 1 Caster disabled, other dwagons and archons wounded and possibly killed. And that was after they had completely disabled the escorting infantry when going in.
Jillian Sue's losses: A crying mego-gwiff, other gwiffs wounded and possibly warlords and other gwiffs killed or wounded. And that was barging into an infantry hex that WASN'T worn down much if even negligibly. We saw Twolls with battle damage, but JS even called off Haggar's first wave after Sammy went down. Still plenty of active and able infantry still escorting Ansom, yet Jillian Sue wins with no problem.
HUGE difference there. And the careful planners had to work for it, the Mary Sue didn't. And like AG said, she didn't even pay for what little prep work WAS done.
Now I'm not saying it's a bad story or bad writing. There are plenty of good Mary Sues out there. Jack Sparrow, James Bond, Wonder Woman, Superman, etc. I like the current story a lot, Jillian Sue included. Just call it what it is, she's a Mary Sue. I'm fine with that, just like you need a good villain sometimes, this story is good with her, like it was with Ansom in the first book.
Hell, in some ways she *is* a villian. Kinda like Catwoman. Not all bad, but not a hero. Typically a villain is strictly in it for themselves, screw everybody else, and maybe some megalomania or other psychotic behavior. Jillian isn't the nicest person in the world, the way she threatened Webinar and Caesar over insults and bad news, but it describes Jillian Sue pretty well.
And we've seen this before, last book Ansom was making the ass-pulls, and it turned out to be a great story. Just laughing at comments that Jillian isn't doing kinda the same here.
And yeah, maybe some people need to review what a Mary Sue is: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue
Hell, Jillian Sue even fits most of these descriptions and offshoots:
* Black Hole Sue — Everything is about me! - the whole story
* Purity Sue — Love me! - pines over whether to bag ansom in the tent, later does it in the open field
* God Mode Sue — Power overwhelming! - 2nd book
* Mary Tzu —I knew you would do that. In fact, I knew you would do that before I even met you, cuz I'm JUST THAT GOOD! - playing wanda this book
* Jerk Sue — I'm mean and obnoxious...love me! - the whole story
* Possession Sue — My favourite character is an even better version of me! - not yet
* Copy Cat Sue — I'm just like my favorite character, but even kewler! - not yet
* Relationship Sue — You're my boyfriend now! - wanda, ansom, vinnie, back to ansom
* Sympathetic Sue — Feel sorry for me! - whole book
* Anti Sue — I'm genuinely useless, but everybody still loves me! - kinda the first book, everybody except webinar loved her (so of course he meets a grisly graphic end soon afterwards)
* Villain Sue — I have you now, my beautiful slaves! Ahahahahahahaha! - Lobot and the rest of her minions 2nd book
* Fixer Sue — No, that's not how it's supposed to go! - whole story
* Parody Sue — Why don't they fall for my buxom charms? - whole story
* Thirty Sue Pileup — We are Legion. - pretty much Jillian Sue to a T.
It's not bad writing. Jillian's a well written character, and I think a good character to root against. Just call her what she is: Jillian Sue.
One more thing, anybody who says Charlie, Don, or Slately "controls" her is delusional. Yes Don and Charlie have invested heavily on her, but from all three characters perspective it's pretty laughable that she'd do anything for them that she doesn't want to do for her own reasons. That's part of her charm or reason to dislike her. You don't so much order her, as just point her in the general direction and hope she decides to do for herself that will also benefit you. Kinda like taking a spastic beagle out hunting and hoping he'll decide to have fun jumping a rabbit, rather than having fun running with the local dogs playing instead.