gazes_also wrote:How is her version of leadership "totally callous" or any different from any other RULER on Erfworld?
She doesn't take advice from or listen to any of her warlords. In not actually ORDERING Trem to not parley, Slately is actually being more open minded and tolerant than Jillian-Sue is.
gazes_also wrote:Slately is, of course, right to be distrustful of Jillian, but he distrusts her for all the wrong reasons.
He distrusts her because she's a jumped up barbarian mercenary and he expects her to take orders and get croaked as if he'd paid her.
gazes_also wrote:She's not, she's a ruler who can make and break alliances as she pleases. Where his outrage at Dickie, who would have let JS fall if he hadn't had an Archon's finger put to his head?
It was Charlie's finger pointed at his head. The reason Slately wasn't that concerned with Dickie is because Jetstone was under threat of being wiped out regardless. "He knew what Dickie meant to do. Haggar had surely sent her armies not as rescuers, but as scavengers. He knew it, but he did not fear. Why give a care for a horsefly, when the horse is charging? http://www.erfworld.com/book-2-archive/?px=%2F2010-01-09.png
He and Trem still make plenty disparaging remarks about Dickie and Haggar.
gazes_also wrote:But Dickie is a royal so that conduct is acceptable, heck, Staley would have done the same if the positions were reversed.
Wrong, remember Trem's mocking Prince Sammy at the bridge? It's pretty clear what Jetstone thinks of Haggar's actions.
gazes_also wrote:Slately's prejudices will be the end of him. One of the causes of the current situation is that Slately couldn't accept a non-royal ruler in the game of territorial conflict and set out to utterly destroy GK as a message to any other stabber who might get ideas above his station.
He judges people by who they are, not by what they do. Charlie is a toolist because he is attuned. Jillian is a no good barbarian even though she saved his ass. Don is a royal, so it's ok he hasn't committed a single unit of his own to this fight. Dickie is a good chap because he's a proper royal like him, so nearly getting stabbed in the back is part of the game.
Now you're just making stuff up. Slately and the Royals aren't talking to Charlie and think he's a Toolist because he screwed them over at GK. Jillian is a no good barbarian that took the power Charlie gave her, and almost turned to sack Jetstone rather than save it. Anybody's ass being saved was done by Charlie powering the "kingworld", otherwise Jillian Sue was good as dead or surrendered. The link I posted, Slately was angered by TV's lack of commitment, and Dickie's imminent betrayal.
gazes_also wrote:He's not an idiot, he's a sad little man who gets littler with each passing turn. The impact of seeing Ossomer could destroy what's left of his pretensions; remember what happened when Queen Bea saw the decrypted that had once been her heir? I feel sorry for him, he's witnessing the end of the world as he knows it.
LOL, you're salivating so much over his impending doom, you aren't sorry one bit. Actually, I'm looking forward to Slately's world being overturned also. But not because he called the Jillian Sue what she was, but because he is part of the old order that sustains constant war and suffering in Erfworld. Still doesn't mean that a character that actually tries to hold to principles bigger than himself, (duty, country, honor), even if not steadfastly, isn't more sympathetic than a "me-me-me" barbarian.
gazes_also wrote:And that would be why the side in this conflict suffering the fewest losses in combat so far would be...?
Pretty easy to avoid casualties when you don't fight. Because Jillian Sue only used her forces to get her boytoy, and once again used her units as a meatshield to do that but this time the odds were well in her favor. She also left Jetstone out to dry except for Charlie's "Kingworld". Her present reputation as a trustworthy ally should be about where Charlie's was after GK.
gazes_also wrote:As that small time mercenary she may have worked for a number of sides each with their own ideology for which they went to war, and maybe she saw that really they are no different and all sides behave equally badly no matter how superior they believe themselves to be.
Having no ideology does not make you irresponsible, quite the opposite; if you have no higher cause to justify your actions then you are ultimately responsible for them, you and no-one else.
Fighting for pay, first for her Father, then to survive, leaves her as the only character with no illusions: there are no great causes, it really is all personal. That's what makes her as frightening as those who believe utterly in their Fate.
She was reluctant to become queen, to become that idealized figurehead, but it sees that she gets criticized for actually acting like a queen, and putting her own wants ahead of her 'clients'.
Her motivations are personal, and unlike everyone else, (except possibly Charlie) she doesn't pretend otherwise. That's what to me makes her the most multidimensional of all the Erfers.
Total selfishness is "multi-dimensional"? Wow. Jillian-Sue is a great character, to me a great character to root against.... but multi-dimensional?
Live Ansom, and the Royals, for all their faults, have demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice themselves for what they think is a greater good. Ansom taking on the GK wall himself, and Jetstone getting involved though GK didn't attack them, for examples. That they are mistaken in perpetuating the constant warfare of Erfworld, doesn't change the fact they think what they're doing is best for Erfworld. In a world where people are popped with specific roles preprogrammed, this is understandable. To put Jillian Sue, who as you just demonstrated only has personal interests in mind, as more responsible than the Royals...... wow.
I bet in the end, Jillian Sue joins a group, say Parson/Stanley/GK/Janis/Charlie/Vinnie/TV? in a cause for changing the world order for the better. But don't pretend she's shown any awareness of a cause (dare I say ideology?) and what it would mean. The closest she's come is telling Wanda "Hook up with me in my hermit kingdom of FAQ where I'm boss and nobody dares mess with us! Yay!"