Balance wrote:People seem to be assuming that Charlie has learned the details of Parson's plan by eavesdropping on a thinkagram. I'd say that's the likeliest scenario, but I can think of at least two others that could have given rise to the exchange between Charlie and Jillian.
1) It's a con. Charlie has no idea what Parson is planning (though he probably assumes Parson will try something). He's trying to run a bluff on Jillian to get her to turn back. Maybe he wants her back there as a backup, or thinks it will help him reestablish a measure of control over her, or hopes to use her presence as a bargaining chit in his talks with Jetstone.
2) He deduced from observing Wanda's force that Parson is back in charge, and that made him nervous. The last time he thought Parson was in a no-win situation, Charlie lost his entire force in the zone, and Parson came out smelling like a rose (by Charlie's standards). He got paranoid enough to contact Parson and spend another calculation. With his knowledge of his own plans, Parson calculated a high enough probability that he would raze the city to send Charlie into conniptions. Now he's trying to salvage whatever he can from the debacle he expects, even though he doesn't actually know any details of the plan.
Also, am I the only one who smiled brightly when Charlie appeared before Tremmenis as the Rainbow?
build6 wrote:It's true, we're all gay for Tramennis, even if we're straight
I think that if anybody needs to do any crawling to anybody, it's Jillian Sue. She broke her word to Charlie and Wanda. She abandoned her allies.gameboy1234 wrote:Wow, great update. Charlie seems really pissed. He dumped on Jillian before he had even spoken to Jetstone. He may yet need to go crawling back to Jillian as the only side that will even talk to him. Think: Charlie was known to be involved at Spacerock--Hagar will confirm it, they lost a prince there because of Charlie. Now Spacerock is going to get worked over. Charlie will at least partially get blamed.
My guess: Charlie can eavesdrop, at least partially, and will tell Tramennis what is about to happen. Tramennis will be skeptical, and Slately will be adamant that Charlie is not to be trusted at all. In fact, Charlie may be get blamed because he knew about the plan. Jetstone will just assume he's trying to betray Gobwin Knob.
The outcome? Well Wanda can't die, but I don't think Tramennis will either. Slately has to live because Jetstone has no heir. Well, Slately has to live this turn, at least. Later, he can croak. But I don't know how Tramennis will live. Running away with Slately in tow sounds the most likely. I wonder if surrender or terms will be acceptable? Parson might take them rather than attempt his desperate plan. "Fated" or not Parson believes it is risky, and would probably take any sure thing rather than do something that might fail.
I thought Charlie's statement implied that all she would find back at Jetstone is a pile of rubble. Though given what Parson said about casualties, it might be a good opportunity for Jillian Sue to swing back and mop up GK's forces after the battle.Glenn wrote:I suspect that Charlie was trying to get Jillian to go back to Spacerock, and I also think there's a good chance he'll succeed. Before she talked to Charlie, Jillian was sure that Wanda's army would be defeated during Jetstone's turn, and therefore that Stanley in Gobwin Knob would probably be too weak to destroy Faq again. But if Gobwin Knob's army somehow manages to pull a victory out of what Jillian had thought was an impossible situation, then she needs to know about it, because she knows there is a good chance that Stanley will send Wanda's army to attack Faq, once Jetstone has been eliminated. Perhaps Jillian can get back in time to help save Tremannis and some of his warlords, at least.
HailGreen28 wrote: all she would find back at Jetstone is a pile of rubble. Though given what Parson said about casualties, it might be a good opportunity for Jillian Sue to swing back and mop up GK's forces after the battle.
Ansan Gotti wrote:Direcoyote wrote:You've got to love that final "Break" there. Poor Jillian. She tries so hard to win completely. Hrrm... a thought just struck me about how Jetstone COULD survive the loss of spacerock. What if Charlie lent the money to make Tremannis a heir?
I was thinking along the same lines. Here's some cash to make yourself heir, now get out of the city and hightail it back to Jetstone's original capital and restart your side.
The kicker would be convincing Tramennis to go along, however! Seems like a tall tale to swallow, and even if Tramennis did, I can't imagine Slately ever would.
Perhaps Charlie will be like Cassandra from Greek mythology here, predicting the future but no one will believe him.
Sixty wrote:Obviously the mystery caster has no particular feelings one way or the other about Parson, he simply heard "cue the Benny Hill music" and gave chase, compelled to do so by forces outside his control.
Ahhhh. I hadn't considered that.ftl wrote:HailGreen28 wrote: all she would find back at Jetstone is a pile of rubble. Though given what Parson said about casualties, it might be a good opportunity for Jillian Sue to swing back and mop up GK's forces after the battle.
Won't work, I think. If all she finds at Jetstone is a pile of rubble, it'll be a pile of rubble mixed with giant piles of croaked Jetstone infantry and heavies. Which will be summarily decrypted.
Remember the pliers. If Wanda can eke out a win, it's likely that she'll immediately have another army at her disposal. Not guaranteed - it could be that she has to decrypt and then use the units as she goes along - but it's the nature of the pliers that even a close victory is likely to leave Wanda with a large new force.
TheMutant wrote:So if Charlie does know the plan and has a direct line to the most reasonable man in Jetstone, how is the food fight gambit not totally borked, I wonder? Maybe Tramennis wouldn't believe him? But that seems unlikely; Trem seems open to the possibility that things are going on behind the scenes. And Charlie <i>has</i> done Jetstone a good turn lately (the Haggar deal) and Trem knows it; thus I doubt he'll immediately think like his father that Charlie's out to screw them over instead.
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