Sonic Screwdriver wrote:I don't believe that abusing parley for non-tactical reasons is somehow more permissible. Going off your stance with Bea not being required to hold to honour or ethics when the goal is suicide, how is this different than Parson forgoing the same in the face of Gobwin Knob's utter annihilation? If he didn't abuse surrender the first time, the handful of survivors (him included) would be slaves at best. He faces this fate again if he doesn't save Wanda and the Pliers by breaking parley.
Actually, I had a lovely paragraph here, outlining why Queen Bea is different to Parson, but really... you're right . Suicide, murder of her own troops, abuse of parley.. all these things are inherently dishonourable. She had good reasons for doing it, but ultimately she lost her faith in the Royal Mandate, or she would not have feared adding strength to the GK decrypted so much. Royal sides, im sure, still get wiped out now and then, but I'm guessing its usually a case of heroic last stands and assurances that the other royals will avenge them.
I mean, its not so ambitious to think that with the benefit of the city defences, they could dust as many as they lost, and therefore not add considerable strength to the GK forces..
Ok QB has let me down
Now.. unrelated to QB, Parson still is not in a dire situation. Jetstone already said that even without the decrypted, GK could still crush them. They have the shmuckers, the cities and Parson himself to continue on just like any other side - better than most, actually. It wouldn't be quite as easy for them, but it wouldn't spell the end.
Now, you could argue that Jillian already broke Parley in this battle, so whats good for the goose...
Because of Jillian I could almost
be persuaded to let Parson off the morality hook for having his yellows poop early, but two wrongs dont make a right. You cant be underhanded just because your opponent is and still expect to be trusted. Either way, that still doesn't excuse him for croaking Ansom (unless you want to consider he played Charlie into selling out an ally with his ambiguous language, which I'm not sold on, but I really like the idea..) or for abusing the MK's portals.
Sonic Screwdriver wrote:I can understand that sentiment were he to be dishonorable just for efficiency, but he's only been doing it reluctantly at the alternative of Gobwin Knob's extermination with him lucky to survive as a mind slave. The only possible exception is his use of the MK portal, which I do think is risky with it 'only' being done to sate his moral quandary at sending troops to die from afar.
Well you could argue that he didn't need to kill Ansom, he could have just skipped to the Volcano-trap, but somehow I dont think a WMD would stand up well in this discussion.
But yeah, you are right. See the problem here is that there is a difference between "the right
thing to do" and "the smart
thing to do". I'm saying that breaking parley for any reason is a dishonourable thing - you could
choose to die with honour. Now most people think that sort of thing is foolish - especially when you are pretty much forcing your friends to die honourably as well (although I think Sizemore might have preferred it) so if I were Parson, I probably would have made the same decision. It just means that you have to accept the consequences thereafter: You wont be trusted, and you cant rely on others to extend courtesies that you have abused.
Sonic Screwdriver wrote:I hope the Royals would learn that parley is still available with GK, just not to be used as an excuse to let their guard down and not to use it as a means to kick people while they're down. This would require them to consider GK as anything less than ideologically anathema to them, which is doubtful considering Unaroyal's jauhar in the face of mere alliance with Gobwin Knob.
Even if the Royals did come to regard GK in a more favourable light, I still think Parson's actions will make Parley's strained at very (very) best. Really, if I were to parley with Parson, I would fully expect to get my throat slit by a Deceit Golem, halfway through offering him a beer.
Sonic Screwdriver wrote:This is different for Jillian, as she shows total disregard for parley. She'll abuse parley to get the things that are important to her (Ansom), for important/vital strategic advantage (Space Rock), and even to gain ancillary strategic advantage (Jitterati). Add on top of all this that you can't even trust her to be a reliable ally (Charlie & Don) because her personal desires trump even her kingdom.
100% agreed. She is much worse than Parson, but that doesn't make Parson innocent.
Sonic Screwdriver wrote:That is one thing I'd like to see, Parson in an alliance. How much would he go out of his way to help others or even honour an agreement? What kind of impression is Parson going to create with those who encounter him rather than hear about him through biased sources (Sylvia, Charlie, etc)?
I suspect as long as he saw a long-term use for the ally he'd be the best friend you could ever have. If his ally grew weak, then I think his support would (with appropriate remose, but nonetheless) be withdrawn.
Anyway, in short, what I'm saying (which I think is at least partially agreeing with you) is that sometimes breaking the rules is the smart thing to do if you want to win, but you cant expect it not to bite you on the ass later on. In fact I'm almost hoping it does, it would be an interesting turn in the story.
No, no. It hit him in the brain because it killed him. - Dante