wrecan wrote:No, I said anything that needed saying could have been written on the scroll... or communicated through the archon before the scroll was presented. I made no statement of probabilities.
Ok, so its not "probable"; its "could". I still maintain that if it was, it's still not an effective method of communication.
smoker wrote:I dont see the logic in this, especially when you consider that for all Tramennis knows, the contents of the scroll may have been relayed back to Wanda.
What makes you think that? We have no idea with whom Tramennis thinks the archon communicates. Again, since we don't know, assuming facts that make Tramennis an idiot is fishing for facts to justify your theory.
Now, now. Dont be like that. I'm clearly not saying he thought that, I'm saying for all he knew it .."could".. have been. Now its true, we dont know who Tramennis thinks the archon is communicating with, but its a reasonable position to say he probably doesn't know for absolute certain, since he is not even there when the archon does her photo-fingers-thingy to it. If he were on an active thinkagram, he would know for certain, so he should have taken this opportunity to ask for one, instead of hoping that the scroll, which "could" have something nice written on it, made it all the way to Parson's lap.
wrecan wrote:All I'm saying is that it is inappropriate to assume that facts not in evidence are helpful. I'm arguing that we have insufficient info to determine that Tram is holding the idiot ball. You are dismissing out of hand the possibility that we lack relevant facts.
good heavens. If that's your argument, why are you arguing with me? I've made it abundantly clear that I dont buy into this idiot ball business. In fact, I can only think of one other poster who has pushed the idiot ball theory very strongly.
smoker wrote: the whole point of this discussion was what could Tramennis have done differently
I disagree. The point of the discussion is whether people are being fair when they declare that Tram is "holding the idiot ball".
people are going hammer and tongs on that point, yes, but that doesn't mean others cant discuss the same situation from a different point of view. This is, after all, the reactions thread, not the "idiot ball" thread. I suggest you read posts with greater care in future.
smoker wrote: I'm of the belief that instead of talking to Ossomer he should have demanded to talk to Parson. The method chosen is the one that allows for the fastest, most accurate and most personal communication possible. How is this so blatantly incorrect?
It's neither correct nor incorrect, blatantly or otherwise.
Then why do you take such umbridge to it? I answered what I thought was an interesting question, and you dived on it. Whats so wrong about saying "Well yes, that's quite possible, Smoker, it will be interesting to see if anything furthar happens that will prove/disprove that theory." If this is really how you feel, then either you totally over reacted to someones opinion, or I'm starting to change your mind
wrecan wrote:It is simply an assumption for which we lack sufficient evidence and therefore is not subject to a rational conclusion. You may be right or wrong. We have no way of knowing for certain because we don't have all the facts.
Well, since we've just established you've been barking up the wrong tree, I'm reluctant to start picking on your reasoning again. Suffice to say I still find the potential facts you've suggested to be unlikely, but maybe in time we will find out for certain.
No, the whole point of this discussion is whether or not Tramennis is an idiot.
To different degrees, and mine is a somewhat minor one.
Also, there are posters here, myself included, who think that although Tram was a bit foolish, it was in perfect line with his character, and not a failing of the story, or of Rob. I mean, c'mon. Everyone knows I want to have Rob's babies.
Oberon wrote:As for calls for me to provide a specific opening line, that's not my job. It is the author's.
So in other words, you cannot conceive of anything Tram could have said at the start of parley that would have averted the sneak attack which was triggered by the initiation of parley, but you remain convinced that such magic words existed, but Rob opted to just give Tram the idiot ball instead.
I don't think it's possible for me to take you any less seriously.
Again, I'm butting in, but y'know, if you dont like, email him
I kinda agree, that Rob set Tramennis up for failure. I think it was deliberate, and it was kinda cool. We were all so geared up to see Tramennis and Parson go mind-to-mind, that when Parson threw Ossomer at him in a kind of "Look at the shiney!" way, and he fell
for it, we all felt the pain. When these two DO finally face each other, it will be tantric.
No, no. It hit him in the brain because it killed him. - Dante