Book 2 – Page 51

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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby MarbitChow » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:33 pm

danhaas wrote:I mean the callousness of facing a shower of arrows and a warlord in melee action like it was... nothing. She seems oblivious or overconfident. Maybe nonchalant is a better word. Compare her reaction to those things with Jack's reaction, who is calming himself with irony.

Personally, I think Wanda has still not recovered from the Suggestion spell / Jillian's Rejection backlash.
The backlash and rejection one-two punch left her cold and distant.
Having an army that adores her unreservedly doesn't help her emotional state, either.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby teratorn » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:36 pm

danhaas wrote:Golems can be decrypted. Check the summer updates, they mention it. Decryption can affect creatures that cannot be uncroaked.


I thought that was just for units like the wiener rams, spidews, dwagons, gwiffons, sourmanders, that is, animal-like units. I don't remember any mention of golem decryption.

Lamech wrote:We've seen GK use cloth golems in the exposition at the start of book two. Its possible Wanda, a MK caster or the archons made them, but I assumed it was simple decryption.


The one we see attacking a wall didn't have Wanda's colors. The ones at the bridge (giraffe a couple of bears) didn't have Wanda's colors, but that doesn't mean much, since they were illusions. The heavies with Ansom were twolls.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby kagato23 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:45 pm

MarbitChow wrote:
danhaas wrote:I mean the callousness of facing a shower of arrows and a warlord in melee action like it was... nothing. She seems oblivious or overconfident. Maybe nonchalant is a better word. Compare her reaction to those things with Jack's reaction, who is calming himself with irony.

Personally, I think Wanda has still not recovered from the Suggestion spell / Jillian's Rejection backlash.
The backlash and rejection one-two punch left her cold and distant.
Having an army that adores her unreservedly doesn't help her emotional state, either.


I dunno. Considering what we've seen of her beforehand, and that those who have known her don't register any great change, I think she was always like this. Only difference now is that she's got serious power, and doesn't have to be half as subtle about what she's doing. That, and the woman she loves (at least as much as she is capable) just flatly rejected her and effectively left her to die. That's gonna put you in a lousy mood.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby Foolamancer » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:59 pm

MarbitChow wrote:
danhaas wrote:I mean the callousness of facing a shower of arrows and a warlord in melee action like it was... nothing. She seems oblivious or overconfident. Maybe nonchalant is a better word. Compare her reaction to those things with Jack's reaction, who is calming himself with irony.

Personally, I think Wanda has still not recovered from the Suggestion spell / Jillian's Rejection backlash.
The backlash and rejection one-two punch left her cold and distant.
Having an army that adores her unreservedly doesn't help her emotional state, either.


I'm pretty sure that a large part of it is the fact that she firmly believes that she is wearing +27 armor of plot. Fate magic tends to go to one's head.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby boegiboe » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:02 pm

I like how Tramennis' face now almost exactly matches Ossomer's one page before. {When this is in book form, their faces will perhaps both be in view at once, on opposite sides of the spine.}
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby Not Me » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:19 pm

teratorn wrote:I thought that was just for units like the wiener rams, spidews, dwagons, gwiffons, sourmanders, that is, animal-like units. I don't remember any mention of golem decryption.


I'm not sure if it's exactly "golem decryption", but the best I can recall of this is the following:

"Anything?" she asked him, still staring forward at the Decrypted Tchotchkes in the stack ahead of them.
--> From Summer Update 33

These included several formidable tchotchkes and some really fine cloth golems.
--> From Book 2, Text 23

The first two had me making Cloth Golems and Tchotchkes under Holly Shortcake's designs, and the rest of my juice goes for raiment.
--> From Book 2, Text 30

You can now start a discussion if tchotchkes are animal-like units (like the ones you mentioned) or animal-like golems (like the battle bears, G-RAFs and LFNs). But at least we know there are some Dollamancer creations that can be decrypted.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby BCCroaker » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:29 pm

Some of you guys really want to put Slately in that jetpack. I admit it would be funny - little fat guy playing the Rocketeer, but no. He's going deep inside the fortress, near the Portal room - and that's part of Lord Hamster's plan.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby teratorn » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:29 pm

Good catch. So golems can be decrypted. I thought decryption was restricted to beings
made of flesh.

A golem is a bit like an uncroaked, an animated construct. I have some trouble with decryption
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby Foolamancer » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:46 pm

Not Me wrote:You can now start a discussion if tchotchkes are animal-like units (like the ones you mentioned) or animal-like golems (like the battle bears, G-RAFs and LFNs).


Seeing as "tchotchke" means "toy", I'd say it's essentially a given that they are golems of some sort.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby Spot » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:59 pm

BCCroaker wrote:Some of you guys really want to put Slately in that jetpack. I admit it would be funny - little fat guy playing the Rocketeer, but no. He's going deep inside the fortress, near the Portal room - and that's part of Lord Hamster's plan.


Ah yes... I can see it now: Stately fleeing to heart of the keep, just in time to meet Parson and friends coming out of the portal. Hmmm... is it possible to take an Overlord hostage?
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby gameboy1234 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:05 pm

My personal prediction is pretty simple: Jetstone still has move, and mounts. Put Slately in a 'roo and march him out of Spacerock. GK has no move (it's not their turn) and can't follow even one hex. Fancy jetpack not needed.

Don't forget Ossomer and several archons are still in Spacerock airspace. Attempts to go airborne without sufficient screening cover are likely to be short lived and ill-considered. (Depending on remaining forces and anti-air in Spacerock, they could just blast GK's air forces in Spacerock before sending Slately airborne.)

Possible use for Jetpack #1: Ossomer is ordered to gank Slately by tossing him off the balcony. Ace leaps off after with the jetpack to save Slately.

Possible use for Jetpack #2: Send all possible mounted Jetstone out of Spacerock, including Tramennis and Slately for as much move as possible. Then use the jetpack to move Slately even further away. Might be their only chance of getting Slately out of range for GK's coming turn.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby oslecamo2 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:31 pm

Foolamancer wrote:
MarbitChow wrote:
danhaas wrote:I mean the callousness of facing a shower of arrows and a warlord in melee action like it was... nothing. She seems oblivious or overconfident. Maybe nonchalant is a better word. Compare her reaction to those things with Jack's reaction, who is calming himself with irony.

Personally, I think Wanda has still not recovered from the Suggestion spell / Jillian's Rejection backlash.
The backlash and rejection one-two punch left her cold and distant.
Having an army that adores her unreservedly doesn't help her emotional state, either.


I'm pretty sure that a large part of it is the fact that she firmly believes that she is wearing +27 armor of plot. Fate magic tends to go to one's head.


Believes? Believes? Let's check her situation again:
-Attunned to an arkentool, check.
-Has a personal fanatic army, check.
-Has the perfect warlord, Hamster DESTROYER OF RULES guiding her, check.
-Has Jack, Foolmancer extraordinare watching her back, check.
-Skydived twice whitout parachute and still alive, check.
-Has big badass dwagons on her side, check.

I would say she has all the reason in the world to let it go over her head. Fate, plot and luckmancy have clearly favoured her so far, and she just went from a desesperate situation to a "Let's kick Jetstone's ass untill they're crying like little girls!" situation. Let her enemies be afraid. Very afraid.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby MarbitChow » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:36 pm

Remember that if Jetstone flees this turn, GK goes next, and Dwagons have a long range. Slately's got to get further away than they can chase him, and Jetstone doesn't have much of an air force.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby ryanroyce » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:38 pm

I'll not bother speculating on how it transpires, but I'm fairly certain that Slately will manage to escape to their old capital (why else would Rob bother establishing that Jetstone has more than one capital if it isn't going to be used? It's the rifle mounted above the fireplace) and Tram will be either captured (my preference) or croaked & decrypted. I expect that Jetstone the Side will survive even when Spacerock falls.

That said, I'm still expecting the other shoe to drop. What's more, I expect that shoe to be Charlie's. Things have been going far too according-to-plan for Parson and I seriously doubt that Charlie has given up on trying to interfere in this fight.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby QuothTheRaven » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:02 pm

My money is on Tramennis surrenduring Spacerock to Parson, under the condition that neither he nor his father are killed or decrypted. This story seems to be building up towards a "Charlie vs. Parson" sort of climax.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby teratorn » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:08 pm

MarbitChow wrote:Remember that if Jetstone flees this turn, GK goes next, and Dwagons have a long range. Slately's got to get further away than they can chase him, and Jetstone doesn't have much of an air force.


He might be able to rendezvous with Jillian, a few of her mounts must have some move left.

I think the biggest problem is not giving a bunch of croaked units to GK, including Jetstone infantry and the remaining Haggar army (Parson would be pleased to learn that Charlie was involved in the attack).
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby wrecan » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:23 pm

I wonder how Adam Antium's decryption will affect his philosophy of Scorism? I imaging he'll be able to harmonize them well. Decryption is just giving him more opportunity to increase his "score".
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby Foolamancer » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:49 pm

gameboy1234 wrote:My personal prediction is pretty simple: Jetstone still has move, and mounts. Put Slately in a 'roo and march him out of Spacerock.


Can't. Slately and Trammenis can't get out of the Tower without going through the Atrium. Ace's jet-pack is the only way out for anyone except the Casters, who can run to the Magic Kingdom (assuming that Parson doesn't stop them, and that the infantry manage to hold the Tower's lower floors long enough for them to reach the portal room).

ryanroyce wrote:I'll not bother speculating on how it transpires, but I'm fairly certain that Slately will manage to escape to their old capital (why else would Rob bother establishing that Jetstone has more than one capital if it isn't going to be used? It's the rifle mounted above the fireplace)


Jetstone doesn't have two Capitols. It's got one Capitol and one City that used to be the Capitol.

teratorn wrote:He might be able to rendezvous with Jillian, a few of her mounts must have some move left.


Jillian and her forces are long gone. They're off razing villages elsewhere.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby boegiboe » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:52 pm

I think Slately's self-musings were more than just self-deprecation: I think he's actually incapable of mounting anything, ever. It's common in role-playing games to be allowed to get a huge advantage of some kind in exchange for a huge disadvantage. Slately has had an incredible number of heirs, and he may have been capable of this through a trade-off in physical movement capabilities.

"Doooo yoooour boops hang low, do they wobble to and fro?" :lol:

Srsly, I don't think Slately can mount anything at all, not even a 'roo. The jetpack is his only hope.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 51

Postby jabbersocky » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:27 pm

I think most people are too distracted by the kickass jetpack to notice there are flying mounts in the tower. We can see in the second panel of page 46 that three of the nine Unipegataur's are in the tower. Whether the rest are remains to be seen but I'd imagine there'd be enough to get Slatlely and the casters out of Spacerock, leaving tramenis alone to hurt Gk then abscond with the jetpack and full knowledge of parsons capabilities.

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