MarbitChow wrote:In that case, you might be interested in this: Science can answer moral questions. I personally think that you're wrong - there are quantifiable, objective moral systems - but we've still got a long way to go to pin them down, and morality is just fun to discuss no matter what your belief.
BLANDCorporatio wrote:Ominous wrote:If you couldn't tell, I'm a moral relativist/subjectivist. Any attempt to argue for an objective, absolute moral system is laughable to me
It's good you feel that way, because I find moral relativists laughable. So at least we're on mutual terms.
BLANDCorporatio wrote:Nice link MarbitChow, I'll definitely check it out, but don't feed the twoll. S/He doesn't want an argument, they explicitly stated, so offer none.
Zeku wrote:-About science answering moral questions, the most mind-boggling example to me is the Prisoner's Dilemma, where computer simulations show that cooperation is logically advantageous, even if each simulation is just attempting to do what is best for itself, with zero consideration for the other simulations.
Ominous wrote:I'm not a troll. A troll wouldn't have stated that the argument was pointless due to values dissonance between the participants. They'd continue without giving you fair warning. Honestly, if you wish to continue discussing morality, let's start a new thread, so as not to derail this one as much as we have. The same goes for discussing "A Game of Thrones."
BLANDCorporatio wrote:So suddenly you are interested, as evidenced by your reply to MarbitChow, and this invitation, to me.
CaptC wrote:Parson has set the air forces in a distributed fashion, such that a really concentrated, powerful attack can pick the archons apart a section at a time. Now note, Trammenis is on his way to the top of the tower with a stack of knights, too! Put those elite troopers on unipegataurs, attack the airspace, stay in a powerful concentrated force and WIN. Dittomancer to double the effects of leadership and elite troop stats, Healomancer keeping units alive to benefit from the doubling, combined with Ace's technological wizardry (pun intended) - and they just might win. It just gets better if they take out Ossomer's leadership by capturing or croaking him first.
Ominous wrote:I'm fine with discussing morality.
The whole point of distributing the archons is to prevent a concentrated, powerful attack from working. The unipegataurs have to waste time zigzagging around the airspace, because the archons are Fooling, and when they do hit some they'll be under ranged fire from eight or nine different positions at once. Then they have to repeat this once they defeat each ministack. The distribution is very much in favour of the archons.
CaptC wrote:Besides, Spacerock HAS to get a turnaround sometime soon. Otherwise, there's no DRAMA left. It's just a GK stompfest. I may not have predicted the exact details, but Spacerock's fortunes are going to have to turn up, at least temporarily.
CaptC wrote:Ominous wrote:I'm fine with discussing morality.
I'm not, unless it's related to the topic at hand, which is, and I quote: "Book 2 - Text Updates 047".
I'm all in favor of one of you starting additional threads for your digressions.
rcjara wrote:No... I think the king is going in for the kill. He's on desperation tactic now. Don can't help him, but the bounty can. Kill ossamer, nuke as many archons as they can. If it's enough, declare Trem Heir.
They don't even have to kill a whole bunch of archons. They just have to capture one, and with the archons all spread out, that seems like the best chance.
I got the impression that even without leadership 27 archons would still kick jetstone's airforce to titans come.
CaptC wrote:Nope. The Archons are set up this way to prevent the tower from shooting them down easily. It's a poor defensive situation if you are attacked directly. The only reason Parson set them up this way is that he was thought the small Spacerock airforce can't do anything, so he countered the obvious threat. Parson just didn't consider Ossamer's depression and didn't know a jetpack was possible.
El_Chupacabra wrote:[Said something stupid here, deleted]....
I have a thought about what's happening next, which does not involve Ossomer "Turning" but still has Ossomer risking violating Erf Rules in order to preserve what he believes to be a Titanic Mandate regarding the honorable end to a Royal or Commander:
Of course, I suck at predictions.
MichaelR138 wrote:If the third option happens, it's a whole 'nother ball game. The bounty for 27 archons killed or captured fixes Spacerock's immediate financial issues, and with control of the skies I'd bet Trammenis decides they can retake the city. That lets this fight keep going, instead of having Spacerock retreat, and then another long setup for yet another capital city fight somewhere else.
Which will in turn increase the drama when Parson steps out of the Magic Kingdom portal. Instead of walking into an all but inevitable victory, he's gonna have to pull GK's chestnuts out of the fire.
As an aside, such a turnaround fixes Don King's problems, too. With a completely discredited Caesar, the other Transylvito warlords are going to be very shy of future "respectful" rebellions.
teratorn wrote:CaptC wrote:Nope. The Archons are set up this way to prevent the tower from shooting them down easily. It's a poor defensive situation if you are attacked directly. The only reason Parson set them up this way is that he was thought the small Spacerock airforce can't do anything, so he countered the obvious threat. Parson just didn't consider Ossamer's depression and didn't know a jetpack was possible.
There's also the fact that it doesn't make sense for Jetstone to attack the archons (Parson doesn't know about the bounty). He'll immediately see Charlie's hand in this.
Ominous wrote:BLANDCorporatio wrote:So suddenly you are interested, as evidenced by your reply to MarbitChow, and this invitation, to me.
I never said that I wasn't interested, only that values dissonance renders the debate moot. It's much like having die-hard capitalists and socialists argue with one another. It's amusing to watch from outside the argument, but those participating don't really get anywhere. I'm fine with discussing morality. Just don't come into the discussion expecting any sudden conversion on my part to your way of thinking .
Ossomer decides he must risk an Erfworld "Fall" in order to reach enemy territory and Capture/Kill the Royals as befitting his honor. He steps off -- onto that odd tile -- and either autosplats or survives unscathed. IF he survives, the Casters try to protect Sir Squatty (can't remember his name right now) and Ossomer carves up a few of them, including Ace. He may actually capture/croak the King himself.
To me, this would be most in line with Ossomer honoring Toolism as part of his change while still being in touch with his Honor Duties. If he Autosplats, it was the Titan's will. If he lands, he gets a chance to defeat the Commanders and Royalty the "honorable" way. It also would mean more conflict with the others, as he would be technically violating orders.
IF he autosplats, I hope it's done hilariously. I could see one frame being him gently stepping down on the ground; his toe barely touches in the next frame, and the third features him asploding into a big dust cloud as the stunned Commanders and King look on.
MichaelR138 wrote:And even if Jetstone survives, it does not redeem Don King from turns and turns of poor decisions and leading his side to near ruin.
Atomic wrote:THEN AGAIN, I'm not sure Undead Prince is watching the same show as everybody else. I'm not excusing his remark, but it isn't hard to look up Kit Harrington on google. Daaaang. That boy is far from butt-ugly.
Geordy wrote:CelebrenIthil wrote:Is it just me or the casters crowding around King Slately on the image almost seem posed like they might be equipping him with the jetpack?
I'm straining my eyes but I can't tell anything for sure.... Hmm...
Oh boy. I wonder why nobody has commented on this already. Yes, the dittomancer isnt just his usual self, standing around adding spiffy remarks twice from time to time - he is actually stretching forth his arms and fiddling with something behind the Kings back. The animatedly given speech of Lord Ace could be instructions for Slately on how to use that thing properly.
But on the other hand Ossomer described how the King turned his back on him. If he would be wearing the jetpack by then Ossomer surely would have mentioned it.
build6 wrote:It's true, we're all gay for Tramennis, even if we're straight