Kreistor wrote:Do you really not understand what Magic is? Magic is anything for which we do not understand. Once we understand it, and can explain the Laws that define it, and have made it reproducible, it becomes Science.
In real life, maybe. In a 'typical' fantasy world, one in which 'magic is real', magic is a force by which a person's will causes a change in reality. It can be well understood, governed by laws, and be completely reproducible, and still be magic.
Magic is a force that is triggered by intention, with no intervening 'technology'.
If you trigger your will, and your will moves your finger, and your finger pulls a trigger, and the gun fires a bullet which kills someone, that's technology.
If you trigger your will, and your will moves your hand, and your hand pushes a pin through a doll, and your target's heart just stops, that is magic.
Really? It's that simple? Let's take that and mess with it a little.
If you trigger your will, and your will moves your hand, and your hand pushes a pin through a doll, and the iron bar levitates, that is magic. Right?
The pin completes a circuit, providing power to the electromagnet in doll, and the magnetism counters gravity and the iron bar rises. That's technology, you would say. But my point there is that it is invisible. You can't see the magnet working. You can't see the vector by which the iron bar rises. But it's still Science. Why? Because we understand it, and only because we understand it. Take the understanding away, and it's Magic. That the "doll" is shaped like a chunk of steel doesn't make a difference to the person that does not have training in science: to him, the iron bar is floating without explanation.
The same goes for your voodoo doll example. When science is able to explain it by some Laws, it stops being magic. In this case, it may be quantum entanglement between the atoms in the center of the doll and the atoms in the heart muscle of the victim, which causes a change in the doll atoms to be reflected in the heart of the victim. I used those words, because they are already a part of science, but that's not necessary. Science expands to include new ideas, as we explain the world.
There was an interesting trilogy by Lyndon Hardy in the 1980's. the second book was "The Secret of the Sixth Magic" and I think it did more to explain this concept (accidentally) than anyone else I've seen. The Five magics were defined by 5 Laws. The only one I remember is that "Like affects Like." Using this Law, you made a small scale identical item to what you wanted to affect, and then the change you made to the small one caused the same change in the larger. The person explaining it used a small chair to cause the protagonist's chair to flip him to the floor, but obviously this would be the Law that affects your Voodoo Doll. The "Sixth" magic allowed the Protagonist (and the antagonist) to change the Laws themselves. One twist, and the antagonist caused "Like affects Like" to become "Like affects Opposite" and all of that Magic discipline's wizards became useless, because they didn't understand what the new Law was, or even that there was a new Law to look for.
It is presented that Sizemore is failing to become a Master because his understanding of his discipline is not adequate. Is this any different from being a poor engineer? If an electrical engineer inadequately understands electricity, he isn't going to design a good power circuit. He can do fine making the basics. The poor engineer's mental model of electricity is, like Sizemore's mental model of Dirtamancy, inadequate.
So, no, I think you've come up short with your differentiation.