Glenn wrote:Here on Earth, the sort of caste structure that exists on Erfworld is based on a lie, because in a fundamental sense, the differences between the rulers and the ruled are really not that absolutely profound. That is why a lot of people reading this sympathize with Stanley; because they think that Stanley is fundamentally right to reject his world's social structure as arbitrary. Here, humans are neither wolves or mice, we are all just human. But we need to remember that, unlike humans on Earth, Erfworlders really are individually created to specification. It's at least plausible that they really are the products of intelligent design. Which means that the Titans may really have designed Royals to have a capacity for ruling that other Erfworlders like Stanley simply do not have. I think it's worth noting that Stanley has been, for the most part, an absolute failure as a ruler. If Wanda hadn't introduced Parson into this world, then Stanley would have lost every city he had when he became Overlord by this point. Is this simply an indication that Stanley is personally unqualified to rule, or does it indicate that the only people currently on Erfworld who are qualified to rule are Royals (and perhaps Parson who is a product of an entirely different evolution)? Perhaps the only way Parson could establish a real democracy on Erfworld is if he changes the rules so that everyone popped is a Royal?
Lothmar wrote:Not necessarily. I think he could easily break the cycle with the complete and utter genocide of all royals. That way it forces the world to adapt or perish in the resulting chaos. But that's probably a little extreme for parson...
Jefferson wrote:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal
Welf von Ehrwald wrote:The only thing that makes royals better than commoners are some better stats, that they can level easier and a certain knowledge of war and diplomacy. That is quite a advantage, but doesn't make them automatically better. Stanley was popped as a commoner, but he earned himself the promotion to warlord; and as far as we know he was very competent at that. As ruler he was a failure, no doubt. But he a bad start; the rebellion of the gobwins probably cost him most or all of the old court who could have counsel him. His most rusted advisor, Wanda, manipulated him to believe some crap about a titanic mission and pushed him into a war he could not win. The huge alliance that marched on him wasn't helpful, too.
And we have at least one example of an commoner who knows how to rule: Charley. And we know of a quite incompetent royal: Banhammer.
DevilDan wrote:I seriously question the idea that Stanley is truly a competent warlord. He may be a good soldier, but he seem to be a truly lousy general. He'd been relying on brute force for a long time, without even understanding that there was anything wrong with picking chief warlords on the basis of looks, for boop's sake.
SteveMB wrote:That may be another thing that makes perfect sense in Erfworld terms -- perhaps "handsome and dashing" directly correlates to some element (charisma?) that makes some units inherently more suitable for promotion to Warlord.
essentially the king is another bigot that auto hates anyone not royal who is in charge of a side. it seems like the entire purpose of hunting stanley really is because he's not a royal. the plaid tribe was capping cities prior to stanley becoming the leader. but it seems the only concerted resistance came after stanley was put in charge.
maybe it was the alleged regicide angle that angered most of the other royals. either way i'm certainly on stanley's side.
Yucca wrote:Jefferson wrote:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal
In Efrworld people are objectively, undebatedly, and quantifiably UNequal. To have a true democracy you would need to have a side that is made out of one and only one type of unit.
BillMcD wrote:Everything in Erfworld seems to flow from each side's rulers. GK's ruler is selfish and small-minded. He cares nothing for any of the individuals he employs - they are, fittingly enough, tools to be used and discarded when they're no longer useful. Don King is wrong.
Ancient History wrote:If anyone besides heirs and overlords can reclaim a city, it hasn't been shown - and if Transylvito could have sent their Chief Warlord to claim the cities instead of just blocking Stanley, why didn't they?
SteveMB wrote:EDIT: If Don King intends to convince Jillian to restart the Faq side, and this is a change from the earlier plan of having Caesar claim the sites (thus gaining credit for a major success and perhaps getting to manage at least one of the new cities or decide who does), no wonder he stormed off in a huff when he (presumably) found out what the new plan was....
DevilDan wrote:Caesar wouldn't like any plan that involves negotiating or allying with Jill. His fantasy was probably personally beating on Jill until she revealed the location of the Faq cities and then croaking her.
Glenn wrote: Perhaps the only way Parson could establish a real democracy on Erfworld is if he changes the rules so that everyone popped is a Royal?
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