Summer Updates - 040

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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby Sokrotes » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:56 am

i think JustDoug's Idea is probably the most likely for a caster. Haveing the starting ability to cast all types of magic then later specilaizing. But i feel this is true for every single unit in Erfworld, that any unit can do a number of things but ends up picking one. I think thats even a main plot of the story. You see almsot every side feels that if your created to do something you only do that, if your a prince/princess your always a prince/princess, if your a stabber your always a stabber, if your a dirtamancer your always a dirtamancer, when your a bat your a bat all the way etc. However a few people have decided not to follow this rule and do what they like, Jillian is a key example, shaking off her royal ways, but eventualy conforming. Sizemore tries to change but keeps comign back to Dirtamancy, though hed probably prefer to be a hippimancer. But the best of all is Stanley, he basically flipped all of Erfworld the bird and said im not going to just poke low level stuff with a spear, im going to rule the world! The rest of the world hates this because it goes against how everyone else thinks. And i think Parsons role is to help the world see a person isnt simply a game piece. Every character sees themself as a chess piece, if your a knight your always the knight, if your the king your the king even if u wanna pretend and be the rook. But Stanley was a pawn that became a king. And Parson is going to show the world this, he will show everyone they are not just a game piece, they are players.
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby SteveMB » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:42 am

Retconjurer wrote:What if they don't take Ansom's decryption the way we're all expecting? That is, as a blasphemous croakamantic abomination.


Do they know about decryption at all? The RCC(v1) members learned that Ansom was croaked, and now he's reported to be alive. If restoration of a croaked unit to life (as opposed to an obvious uncroaked state) is simply unheard of, the obvious explanation is that reports of Ansom's croaking were somewhat exaggerated, and he has somehow been turned.

The impression I get is that Tramennis (and now Ossimer) are still trying to figure out just what the boop is going on....
Is this a real holy war, or just a bunch of deluded boopholes croaking each other?
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby SteveMB » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:49 am

imgran wrote:Also I rather suspect that casters are the kind of force you send to war only in a great emergency because of how expensive and difficult to replace they're supposed to be.

Ansom expected the assault against Gobwin Knob to be a straightforward sledge hammer blow with victory as a foregone conclusion. Given that, why risk bringing rare and valuable casters to the battlefield and give the enemy even a small chance to croak one of them?
Is this a real holy war, or just a bunch of deluded boopholes croaking each other?
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby SteveMB » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:02 am

Lord Kasavin wrote:On another note, anyone want to hazard a guess as to what a Regency is? Yes, obviously its there for the pun. However, its apparently not ruled by royalty. Historically, a Regent was an individual who ruled when the actual monarch was still to young to effectively rule and were suppose to step aside when the monarch reached maturity. How that translates in a world where heirs are popped fully formed... I'm still debating.

Historicaly, a Regent was often a member of the royal family, and sometimes the heir (e.g. the British Regency period when George III was mentally incapacitated and his son and heir (the future George IV) ruled as Prince-Regent).

That suggests that a "Regency" in this context may be a city or group of cities managed by an heir who has not split off into a separate side but is generally allowed to run things without much interference from the ruler. Another possibility is that some circumstances may cause a ruler to become incapacitated (the spell backlash that hit Wanda shows that there are some things that don't just go away when units heal at the start of the turn), and the heir assumes the ruler's duties.
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby teratorn » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:20 am

So the younger brother is the Chief Warlord. Does that mean the other is the heir to the throne?

The Jetstone's look like a nice family, they seem to like each other. This makes me even more curious about seeing Jillian's son or daughter.
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby raphfrk » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:49 am

teratorn wrote:The Jetstone's look like a nice family, they seem to like each other. This makes me even more curious about seeing Jillian's son or daughter.


Will probably be a philosopher :).
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby DevilDan » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:16 pm

A regency could simply be a high-level warlord that split a side off but who governs that side in allegiance to his royal's side, like a governor of a colony would have in the case of imperial Britain.

raphfrk wrote:
teratorn wrote:This makes me even more curious about seeing Jillian's son or daughter.


Will probably be a philosopher :).

Brilliant.

Decorus wrote:2. Parson is a garrison unit and as such is ill suited to offensive campaigns as well as having no interest in leading troops to thier deaths.


It seems to me that it's a good thing for Parson to be in GK given that he is learning much of great importance which he didn't before have a chance to absorb. Also, his gifts are not in the area of leading an invasion: give that task to the powerful and seasoned Ansom. Parson is best held in reserve where he can consult the casters, where he can continue to focus his energies on innovations and problem-solving like Stanley's dragon-harvesting and his new plans, and where he can serve in an advisory capacity: he can always communicate with the strike force through hats, thinkagram, or even via eyebook in case of an emergency. Heck, they could send Sizemore to different cities via portals as another "hack."
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby HailGreen28 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:38 pm

imgran wrote:
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MarchHatter wrote:I think Gobwin Knob just did a crappy job at hiding the fact that Ansom was decrypted or a crappy job at killing everyone and letting someone escape and not be killed and decrypted.

They could of used the shock effect of Ansom being alive when fighting a giant major kingdom.
Sounds like Wanda's force is eating up Unaroyal. ZDon't know if they count as a "major" kingdom or not.



They were major enough to provide the second largest RCC contingent in the first war.
True, but we don't know if they proportionally committed to the Coalition even more heavily than Jetstone, or was it a minimum contribution like TV's? :shock:
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby Infidel » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:12 pm

Sokrotes wrote:i think JustDoug's Idea is probably the most likely for a caster. Haveing the starting ability to cast all types of magic then later specilaizing.


No. The very first spell a caster casts is within their specialization. So if anything, a caster starts as a specialist and then branches out during times of boredom. If Parson is a caster, this is why his attempt to cast mathamancy failed. Because he's probably not a mathamancer, and his first spell has to be within his discipline.

Since thinkamancers are so ubiquitous. I'd assume that they are the one caster that is autopopped when a kingdom is created. New kindgoms probably get one soldier, one worker, and one thinkamancer. Except the king probably doubles as a soldier for the first few turns. You're not really a player until you have a thinkamancer of your own.
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby MarbitChow » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:34 pm

Infidel wrote:Since thinkamancers are so ubiquitous. I'd assume that they are the one caster that is autopopped when a kingdom is created.

I doubt Thinkamancers are auto-popped. If they were, there would probably be some mention of one standing next to Jillian now that she's queen. It's more likely that they're one of the first units that are chosen to be popped once a kingdom is ready to go on the offensive, to make coordinating battles easier.
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby yay » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:48 pm

if casters are popped by cities, then what is the magic kingdom for?
sizemore said he was popped under king Saline, so he is not from there... perhaps casters randomly pop, you don't pick to pop them they just do, and you send casters to the MK to be trained? there discipline is picked via a sorting hat and they spend a few turns in the kingdom until they are ready
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby teratorn » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:49 pm

HailGreen28 wrote:
imgran wrote:True, but we don't know if they proportionally committed to the Coalition even more heavily than Jetstone, or was it a minimum contribution like TV's? :shock:


I'd expect it to be very large. Unaroyal is very close to GK, they were holding warchalking. TV is hard to get, even by air.
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby factotum » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:01 pm

The idea that sides can pop any caster they like fails because the Royal Coalition under Ansom had no Lookamancers, which was considered to put them at a significant disadvantage to Stanley in terms of scouting ability. If all of those sides working together couldn't spare a single Lookamancer between them it means that they are extremely rare units, and thus it seems unlikely that casters just "become" whatever their side needs them to be.
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby Decorus » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:39 pm

Stanley was a piker who was Promoted to Warlord then Chief Warlord then Heir.
Its very likely that Sizemore popped as something and then was promoted to caster and finally Dirtmancer.

Its also possible that Parson being a Lvl 2+ Warlord (Special) is also a Hippiemancer....
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby Liam » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:57 pm

any one given any thought to Decrypting a caster? can they still cast? can you imagine GW with one of each caster and thinkamancers to link them? . . . . EPIC!
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby Nebulious » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:03 pm

factotum wrote:The idea that sides can pop any caster they like fails because the Royal Coalition under Ansom had no Lookamancers, which was considered to put them at a significant disadvantage to Stanley in terms of scouting ability. If all of those sides working together couldn't spare a single Lookamancer between them it means that they are extremely rare units, and thus it seems unlikely that casters just "become" whatever their side needs them to be.


I think that's a hasty conclusion. It's not about a side sparing a lookamancer, it's about sparing their lookamancer. Big difference. I think most casters are only used for special missions, and the overwhleming force of RCC I made sparing them unnecessary risks. We saw that the coalition relied on the natural magics of cheaper units than the dramatic spell casting abilities of dedicated casters.

We already know that cities can pop a limited menu of units, why wouldn't casters be an exception? Maybe Drystone can only pop stuffamancers. Having a dirtamancer, a changeamancer, and a dittomancer would take dozens of turns and probably considerable shmuckers. We've already seen that Ansom preferred to pop gumps and Ossomer wants nothing but infantry. So, Jetstone could pop stuffamancers, but only from one or two specific cities, and had higher priorities.

Lastly, Gobwin Knob has put its eyemancers to great effect, but this is no reason to think they're better to have than any other caster family. Transylvito seems to get a lot of mileage out its dollamancer and Sizemore has already told us about "mathamancy dependent kingdoms."

So I find it hard to equate "no lookamancers in the RCC collumn" with "sides cannot choose which casters to pop." Especially when Sizemore seems like he was specifically popped to mine out Gobwin Knob.
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby badninja » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:06 pm

Boy that was a great update! I got a feeling that two things may happen. Spoilers because I wish to be safe.

Spoiler: show
1) Wanda is going to get some new toys. 2) the RCC II is going to get owned again by Parson, because they still have little to no information about him. I think they are just not strong enough to stop Stanley now. Notice no mention of old Charlie. :D


If any of these happen or none of these happen, I think that this new arc is going to kick some major butt.
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby KiltedNinja » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:16 pm

There's a *definite* feeling of the story shifting into a higher gear...

Interesting debate about the various mancers in each city - It does seem a bit ambiguous at times, obviously due to lack of information, but I'm with the folks who agree that sides can pop what casters they like - from a specific pool of caster types (ie, a "set-menu"). As in, they don't pop randomly, the side chooses to pop "a caster" ;

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yay wrote:if casters are popped by cities, then what is the magic kingdom for?
sizemore said he was popped under king Saline, so he is not from there... perhaps casters randomly pop, you don't pick to pop them they just do, and you send casters to the MK to be trained? there discipline is picked via a sorting hat and they spend a few turns in the kingdom until they are ready


Best idea I've read so far - the bit about going to be trained. Perhaps a side's "menu" denotes which type of caster the unit will/can train to be...


Very good to see the relatives of Ansom and their interactions, and I like the way that Faq was written with quotes, and identified as a "new kingdom" - nicely done.

Yep, great update :D


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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby Lightbender » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:32 pm

Do they know about decryption at all? The RCC(v1) members learned that Ansom was croaked, and now he's reported to be alive. If restoration of a croaked unit to life (as opposed to an obvious uncroaked state) is simply unheard of, the obvious explanation is that reports of Ansom's croaking were somewhat exaggerated, and he has somehow been turned.

The impression I get is that Tramennis (and now Ossimer) are still trying to figure out just what the boop is going on....


It seems likely to me (and probable too) that it might possibly be viewed by others as healomancy, not croakamancy. Remember that the other sides don't know they have no upkeep and that they are undead, they look and behave as if they were alive (with a different viewpoint sure). Healomancy could possibly have the ability to ressurect the dead right?
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Re: Summer Updates - 040

Postby DevilDan » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:44 pm

Have I mentioned how much I'm tickled by the fact that the cities on the border between Unaroyal and Jetstone are Firestone and Bridgestone. Brilliant!
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