Thoke wrote:EDIT: I think Stanley can still disband her at will. I don't think an unit can be a part of a side and not under their ruler's influence.
Thoke wrote:And Stanley did take the capital back only with the dwagons (and Sizemore)in his stack, every other field unit disbanded because the capital fell.
Being part of a tribe is being on a side. My assumption would be that all the special abilities of the natural sides are tied to the side, not any of the units.0beron wrote:Heirship is a function of the Side, not the Unit. Wanda is a GK unit so she will be treated as such and obey the relevant mechanics. We have a close precedent with the Hobgobwins. When they croaked, they lost tribal affiliation and once they Decrypted counted as GK units. Because you are Heir to a specific side it should function the same.
If any of the alternatives you suggested were possible, the Erflings would know it.
There is no reason to believe that foraging for food is unique to fugitives. Indeed we know that units that are part of a capital side can forage, and that natural sides can support themselves by such methods. (Farming). Presumably all units can forage and fill their whole upkeep by finding food. Otherwise we have three different foraging rules instead of one. Oh and you also missed gems.0beron wrote:Okay, simple answer to a few points that have been raised. All units require upkeep. There are 3 ways this can be accomplished:
It is paid by the side's treasury
It is paid from a Barbarian commander's Purse (that they are stacked with)
Fugitive foraging for food
Where? We know that sides (or maybe just some sides) can spin off smaller sides. But we don't know of the requirements as far as I remember.0beron wrote:Also, it has been explicitly stated that ANY commander can form a new Side by claiming a Capital Site. Large sides even have a history of doing this. So that is not evidence on the Jillian case (in fact, she even considered changing the name, and she DID drastically change the design)
bladestorm wrote:Or a different scenario... a what-if perhaps. When Jillian went barbarian, she had a small retinue with her, and all of those got wiped out by sand witches and man witches. What would have happened if the sole survivor of that battle had been a lowly stabber or piker instead of Jillian? A single unit without leadership stranded in the middle of the desert.
Agreed. Having an Heir is an attribute of the Side, so when that Side is gone, you're no longer Heir.Lamech wrote:Being part of a tribe is being on a side. My assumption would be that all the special abilities of the natural sides are tied to the side, not any of the units.
If foraging where totally valid for all units, those that were with Wanda wouldn't have disbanded until they had failed to forage.Lamech wrote:[Other people can forage]
It's been referenced multiple occasions and I don't feel like finding it. Off the top of my head, Ossomer mentioned doing it and I don't believe he was ever Heir. It was also brought up about Haffaton also.Lamech wrote:Where [was it said all commanders start a new Side]?
0beron wrote:Okay, simple answer to a few points that have been raised. All units require upkeep.
Rulers are the only ones that can independently survive the ending of their side (it losing it's capital). This is made explicitly clear (with the exception of casters in the MK). Thus, when a Side falls, the only possible source of upkeep it's units have is their former Ruler. This is why only units stacked with the former ruler survive the disbanding.
drachefly wrote:I don't suspect there is a mechanism for a side falling without the ruler dying (or being captured), and that would moot this point...
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