Housellama wrote:Everyone hold onto your hats.
Sometimes, Kreistor has some good points. He is intelligent. He is logical, in that his arguments strictly follow the rules of logic. Sometimes he's worth listening to.
Thank you. And I, too, try to read everything you write. (Although recently, I have been off the forum for personal reasons.) You have pointed out flaws in my own ideas before, and I appreciate such efforts. I know it's hard for people to risk engaging me.
What he isn't worth is arguing with. He chooses not to abide by the implicit social contract.
Not quite. For certain reasons (specifically jealousy by someone that was told he should be my intellectual superior by his parents), I was excluded from the "social contract" for my formative years. It was not my choice, but that of those that should have been my friends that prevented me from learning what you think of as the social contract. I, consequently, care nothing for others' opinions, since for long years the only opinions provided to me of me were bold-faced lies designed to hurt, abuse, crush, and diminish me, to get into the goodwill of that Ansom-like moron. So, in short, your social contract never included me, has been actively used to abuse me, and so I have no reason to respect it. I have inherent defenses against the ignorant that try to "teach me a lesson", since I was created by others that sought to "teach me a lesson." That has, essentially, been my life since I was 5. Had I formed my opinion of myself from other people's falsely stated opinions of me, I'd have been found with a rope around my neck in high school. And no, this is not speculation: I have received apologies from some of the guilty that later regretted their part in the conspiracy of abuse.
And believe it or not, I have gotten better. I was a true troll for a time, long ago, without knowing what I was doing. Once I recognized my rationalizations, I found a different outlet for that side of my character. This forum, really, only gets a tiny side-swipe once in a while. If that outlet got triggered here again (as it has before), you would see 25 years worth of Internet debating skills brought to bear.
He uses rhetoric as a weapon rather than a tool to further open discussion.
Admittedly, here, it comes across that way, since the vast majority of discussion is speculation-based, rather than fact-based. What I promote is research and study. "Do your homework." Here, that includes reading back-story to ensure consistency with known facts, and Rob's style (which is noticeably standard authorship, so all the normal rules of mass fiction are being enforced, like major characters not being allowed to die). That does come across on this forum as attacking people via their ideas, but that is not my intent. I am interested only in the accuracy of the ideas, and care not if the author has tied up his ego into his brain-product. Personally, I long ago divorced my ego from my ideas (which I recommend for anyone that wants to be an engineer, because you are
going to be wrong, and lives depend on your bad ideas getting crushed), so while I defend myself vigorously, you can't hit my ego by proving me wrong. People with ideas and solutions will have good ones and bad ones: it's not possible to have lots of ideas without the bad ones. There is lots of comic now which makes good speculation increasingly difficult and futile. There is simply too much for any one person to remember (and I do not have the greatest of memories, so myself included), so everyone should expect any speculation to be obviously wrong to someone else, who will remember a different set of facts that contradicts their conclusions.
I will be the first to admit that Kreistor is excellent at what he does. Unfortunately what he does is bad for cooperation and furthering discussion.
I've tried before. Others simply found the attempt as an opportunity to try to get their licks in, attacking me instead of helping me with what I was trying to figure out. But excuses aside, I just don't have anything to bring up right now. The comic is so slow paced, I can do it all alone. We could rehash all the old ideas again, if you like, but that flogged horse is raw and bleeding.
In short, take the good, leave the bad and don't feed the Twoll.
This Twoll has no ego to feed. That was never part of my posting, even when I was a troll. It's not about winning or losing or proving myself superior (my rationalizations were far more complex, though just as self-centered). I am
trying to help in my own way, by promoting studious attention to the comic. People do
prove their points to me, if they are fastidious. I am
wrong by times (my most egregious error was the consequences of "disbanding" which I could not believe was annihilation, despite lots of good arguments for it), and I do
apologize when I find my facts flawed.