Swodaems wrote: Oberon AKA. 'the O-face d blowup doll' wrote:
You use a reference which has Parson being a unit of GK to extrapolate a conclusion which has Parson not being a unit if GK. Your conclusion is based on speculation, not fact.
First. You are mistaken in your interpretation of my statement. You are claiming my references are directly supporting the "If Parson is loyal to Stanley, Parson will start his own side" claim. (I think "If Parson values self-preservation, he will start his own side" is more likely to come true.)
All I was trying to do was debunk your "You realize that the Overlord of another side owes Stanley nothing at all, right?" response when the idea of Parson ruling his own side was presented. In retrospect, I probably should have cut more out of that quote of your's I supplied, (a quote which you have cut out of my quote), but I didn't see the need to at the time. To clear any confusion, I'll restate my claim as "If Parson becomes Ruler of his own side, he'll still have to obey Stanley." As evidence, I present the following quote: "Wanda Firebaugh: As I said, the summoning spell compels you to obey his orders."
I'm sorry, Swordaems, but that is a highly prejudicial view of the Spell. Maggie also indicated later that it may have swayed his thinking into making that option available. If so, then the Spell can also sway his thinking in order to make some options unavailable. As much as it may benefit Stanley, the option to break off a Side is a value judgement, which is probably too complex a judgement for the Spell to make. The fundamental nature of a split off Side is one that removes one major part of the Spell's compulsion, Stanley's capacity to disband Parson.
The Spell sways Parson, it does not force Parson to a particular way of thinking, and so makes him still as unreliable a neighbour as any other. Look at the ultimate example of the Spell's influence -- the Uncroaking of the volcano. Parson proposed that idea not knowing if he would survive it, and with only the faint hope he would go home via the portal. It was, for him, a suicide's path to someone else's victory. You suggest that Parson would go forward with the proposal "if he values self-preservation". We already know the spell forces him to choose Victory over personal survival, so that's a non-Starter.
You can't rely on the Spell having undue influence on Parson post-Split. The reference to being able to destroy him instantly may have been to Disbanding, not to a secondary effect of the Spell. That has been a long-standing question that Rob has chosen not to answer. We do not know exactly what was meant by that statement, since Disbanding qualifies for most of the effects attributed to the spell's capacity to destroy Parson. And we do not know that it wasn't a lie in order to scare Parson into submission. And we don't know that there isn't a caveat that requires Parson to still be on GK Side for it to work. Remember, the creators were the MK, and they might like the idea of Parson being free of Stanley completely eventually, so the destruction mechanism may disappear with Parson's Duty to GK.
At this point, I don't see a way within the current known rules (only speculative ones) for Parson to win over the next Turn, if Charlie chooses to curb stomp him at dawn tomorrow. The only out that I can see is that the Turn-ending spell only moved Gk in the Turn order, and they find themselves continuing. (Person doesn't even need Move, just Capital shifted to Spacerock.) The first sign of that would be Tremmenis choosing to end Turn, but noticing that the sun is still high in the sky, suggesting one more Side to Move. Tremmenis has no reason to continue Turn once he's out of move, since Spacerock will fight on at night, and I haven't seen a sunset, yet. (But we haven't until last Turn end anyway, so that's not really evidence of squat.) I've always resisted this idea, but I'm coming closer to accepting that it may be the only way. Unless Charlie chooses not to capture Spacerock. Charlie rationalizes, so he might find a quasi-acceptable reason not to.