Mikalyaran wrote:To capture a city you have to control the garrison, not the whole city. So the units at the gate could have been in the garden zone outside the wall zone of the city hex.
Garden is in fact outside City. See below. But Units have a not insignificant range, so could have been anywhere within many hexes, not next door. it's Haffaton Turn, so Natural Allies can go many Hexes to get to there.
The guys at the gates were probably High Elves for farm the gardens outside the city.
Farms in Erfworld do not require Units. And the Garden is the product of a Thuinkamancer and Florist, and as such are a magic item, for which we would expect specific rules. But the greatest denier of this is that Jillian does not describe Farmers in the garden during her imprisonment there. She describes lots of scenery and mistinterprets people as sky and weather. She'd mention them.
He was clearly hoping to capture her but I bet he'll take the fall of Haffaton just as well.
And what citation can you make to demonstrate the claimed clarity? I think you're basing that on the presumption the units are under Charlie's control rather than Olive's, which is cyclic logic. I just re-read the Charlie section, and all I can see is a territorial dispute being discussed. He has no indication of a desire to capture.
But I've still got no idea what Wanda, Jack, and Jillian know that caused Charlie to put them under NDA's.
Everything about what he was before Charlescomm and the Arkendish. That he was a normal Ruler with normal goals instead of pure mercenary. It makes him a lot more threatening to have that much experience. And the story of his daughter may contain means of control. If the "G" Olive does not speak does indicate an interest in owning the Garden, then Charlie has motives beyond being a mercenary, since it si notably useless for his Archon merc business.
I could just be what we already know but that doesn't seem like that valueable of intel.
Sun Txu: Know yourself and your enemy, and you will never lose.
Charlie is preventing himself from being known, to reduce enemy chance of successfully fighting him.
Further Charlie can't have enough units in the area to take the city I think but that's an entirely meta statement.
Jillian wrote:Jillian clenched her teeth and resolved to disobey, straightening in the saddle. How could he not see the danger in this? She forced her tone lower, calmer. “Look, Charlescomm has forces in the area. I’ve seen them! If Charlie comes at us, I can’t guarantee we’ll be able to hold—”
Jillian thinks he can.
If he did have enough forces why would he bother with NDA's? I won't be surprised if it has to due with an ability to charm/influence/control natural allies at all though since that is a pretty big deal.
Because despite his history, he may truly wish to be a neutral mercenary. Idealism. Real mercs eventually betray and conquer an employer. Charlescomm has been around a long time, and not done that with seemingly endless opportunities. Interfering with, or eliminating, a competing merc Royal Side may dispel belief in his neutrality and threaten a Royal coalition against him.
Parson comments on how pissed Stanley would be if he knew the bracer predicted Charlie was behind the gobwins disappearance, we saw Jitterati get wrecked when their allies betrayed them, and Saline was taken down by them as well. If Stanley hadn't been and heir that would have been the end of GK. The NDA's could be about something else but this does seem the most likely option.
If they are Elves, and somehow Charlie had contracted them, they couldn't talk about it: that's standard in his contracts. No one can learn if Charlie did hire them away, so there's no need for an NDA. They never turned traitor, so no evidence of such an agreement exists, or can be revealed to FAQ at this point.
On the Olive garden's position:
http://www.erfworld.com/2013/07/inner-peace-through-superior-firepower-%E2%80%93-episode-069/ wrote:The trees parted here, and the road ended at—no, was buried beneath—a sunlit field of the pink flowers, and only the pink flowers, stretching as far as she could see. Beyond, in the distance, a city of shining green spires dominated the horizon. Jillian gave it no heed.
http://www.erfworld.com/2012/11/inner-peace-through-superior-firepower-%E2%80%93-episode-052/ wrote:Judy lived in the City of Efbaum, which seemed pretty much empty (she had only ever seen a scarecrow unit and some kind of metal golem guarding it). But Jillian found she couldn’t be there long without getting dizzy and sick. Something about all the shimmering green made her retch. It was the wrong shade or something. She slept outside, on the moss of the stream bank, and ate berries and fruits.
I don't think there's much doubt it's outside the city. At one place it is referred to as a "dungeon", which seems metaphorical in context since it clearly imprisons (which adds to the defense of the city by making that approach dangerous to invaders). Couldn't find it again to quote, but read it earlier today.
Xarx wrote:Hm, good point. Jillian does place herself so that she can watch the skies for an incursion. But surely Banhammer would know. Yes, he's an idiot, but failing to mention enemy forces in the city they've just captured seems like malpractice even for him.
If you have some evidence that a ruler is aware of the number of enemy forces within their city I'd love to see it.
No, they don't. But they do know when forces are in Battlespace.
http://www.erfworld.com/2012/12/inner-peace-through-superior-firepower-%E2%80%93-episode-056/ wrote:“Urgency!” said Dame Branch, letting out a theatrical little laugh. “You have no idea, dear. Faq is in our battlespace this morning.”
But knowing exact forces? Unlikely. Clonely wouldn't need to spot them here:http://www.erfworld.com/book-2-archive/?px=%2F2012-08-01.jpg
And he would know when they were all wiped out.
Mikalyaran wrote:I don't recall any evidence or even suggestion of such mechanical connections in the comic. The closest thing I've seen is Wanda choosing the word attached here.
Book 1 Klogs. Airspace can only attack Tower, Outer Walls to Courtyard. Tunnels to Dungeon. Presumably, if a city Zone, Garden would not have been Garrison, and had rules similar to the Lava zone of GK, but as I pointed out above, you can see the city from the Garden, so it's not in the City.