Tonot wrote:Tell me you are not holding your tongue just right, and mining for examples that allow you to prove they are human?.
Just being specific, factual, they are not humans, you know.
They are basically as human as Parson. Well, the human ones are, not the elves or marbits or gumps or whatever. Those are elves or marbits or gumps or whatever. Man, it's even canon - their race is listed as Men!
I mean, of course at the end of the day they are all just characters in a webcomic, but that still leaves Parson as human as any of them.
They seem something like close analogues of humans, ok, but they are not human.
They're a little bit smaller in size and they live in a weird game-like universe. Those are the main differences. Most of the differences can be traced back to the world they live in.
If you want to understand their actions, think of them as people with different life experiences, rather than aliens. Makes the whole comic make a lot more sense, you know.
Wanda's "father" was only so because of a mechanical effect, "Popping". So too her brother.
Well, yeah. Erfworld has mechanics instead of (/in addition to?) physics. So of course anything that happens is due to a mechanical effect.
Yes, they had a relationship that at first glance seems like the human one, but, seriously now, similar isn't the same.
It's close enough.
They may seem in many ways similar to humans, but their lives are at, and in fact even start at , literal whim of random events.
Well, yeah, they live extremely different lives than us because they're living in a different universe. Duh.
No father or mother decides to have them,
They do actually... their popping is typically deliberate. More deliberate than on Earth, in fact! I don't think there's ever been a side which accidentally ordered a commander popped!
raise them, contributes half their actual genetic code to form them, then inculcates the infant mind with all the various personal touches that human parents give their children.
The Erf-world apple doesn't actually fall from the tree , far or near. Ansom wasn't a prig because Daddy didn't love him enough, Tremannis didn't have 'different" Signamancy because his mothers wombs' hormone level fell within a certain set of bounds.
And so on and so forth, yes.
Erfworld is very different from the real world. I get it.
Their natures are theirs from their "popping" and they are set mechanically, and that my friends is not the least bit human. We would call it inhuman if it happened in one of our children.
Inhuman isn't the first word that comes to mind; the one that comes to mind is "impossible". It's a fantasy comic - of course lots of things are different.
Lots of the things that "make Erfworlders inhuman" also apply to Parson now, btw. He too gives and receives orders via natural thinkamancy, automatically heals at dawn and runs into hex boundaries, levels, is bound by duty and contracts and all that. And yeah, he's not human in the sense that he's a character in a webcomic, but within the webcomic he's just as human as everyone he's interacting with.
They don't even learn, and earn a trade; mere random odds fall one way and they are a caster, another, a warlord. They "Auto-engage" in actions if the case just happens to be that they have no-one on hand to Order them to engage in actions.
How are any of those things intrinsic to being human?
They are not humans.
It's canon - look at the descriptions of the characters that were introduced recently. "Race: men". Human they are.
And specifically to what I was asking, Parson has spent his entire life as a ( assuming we nerds still qualify) human, in human company, human society. Now his company, society, is these non-human, randomly-controlled-often people.
I guess you have encountered humans from social systems, belief systems other than the ones you were raised in?.
Care to tell me that your emotional and social responses were always identical to theirs, regardless of the differences in your up-bringing?.
Of course, his emotional and social responses are different because he's been brought up in a different society. Not because he's human and they're not!
"Maggie smiled at him, her eyes crinkling. "What an utterly alien thing to think. But also, utterly charming."
""Okay well...it doesn't work like that where I'm from," said Parson uncomfortably."
How many ways does one have to make the same point?.
Just one valid one
I accept they are people. You must accept they are not human people.
1. persons indefinitely or collectively; persons in general: to find it easy to talk to people; What will people think?
2. persons, whether men, women, or children, considered as numerable individuals forming a group: Twenty people volunteered to help.
3. human beings
, as distinguished from animals or other beings.
1. an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman.
2. a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex
3. the human individual as representing the species, without reference to sex; the human race; humankind
4. a human being; person
How is a lone human people going to be especially vulnerable to the non-human people he is in the middle of?.
Based on how this story is going, it's the Erfworlders that are especially vulnerable to Parson, not the other way around!
He's shown no signs of being more emotionally vulnerable than erfworlders, I think. He's at times more reluctant to kill, but seems to have had no trouble getting over that.
Less than Sizemore, for example.
Jillian and Wanda have been screwing up everyone's plans due to their messed-up love history. They seem more vulnerable than Parson as well.