Lipkin wrote:Issac said Parson was summoned to defeat Charlie. He said that that was the reason the Thinkamancers allowed the Summon Perfect Warlord spell to be created, but other parties had other interests. Parson follows that up by asking how many prophesies he was fulfilling, and Issac said 4. People have taken this to mean that Parson is fated to defeat Charlie. Not confirmed, but implied.
It's not really implied either. All that it says is that Parson is Fated to do some stuff, and some people hope that some of the things Parson is Fated to do will help them deal with Charlie. The fact that the Predictamancers are so eager to help Parson says to me that many important outcomes are still in doubt. Marie seemed intent on putting herself between Parson and those who might attack him, but that would be just foolish if Parson is Fated to succeed totally.
Lipkin wrote:But the real issue is that Charlie has already saved himself from death once. We presume with Carnymancy, because we know that that is within Carnymancy's powers. But when it was used to save Sylvia from dying in a fire, Sylvia ended up imperiled by fire repeatedly from then on, eventually being croaked by it.
That's an excellent point. Wanda said exactly: "He survived by means of Carnymancy, buying back his life at a terrible cost." It's so frustrating that she would say something like that without giving even a hint about what the cost was. We really don't know enough about Carnymancy to be inferring things at this point.
Lipkin wrote:Charlie's death was manipulated into being by a Hippymancer, at the hands of a summoned perfect warlord. Judy said she was meant to kill The Wizard, but she purposely let him go. This makes it sound like she knew she was fated to croak Charlie, but decided to fight fate. And then she ended up a junkie.
Judy says that in Episode 51
, but not exactly. What she really says is: "I didn’t kill him when we took the city. I let him go." She doesn't say who might have wanted her to kill Charlie, and certainly doesn't say that she was Fated to kill Charlie. She certainly wasn't summoned to kill Charlie; Charlie is the one who ordered Judy summoned according to Episode 66
: "By means that are now obscure, The Wizard used some or all of those casters in an attempt to summon a warlord capable of defeating Bell and Blair." I'm sure that Olive
wanted Judy to kill Charlie, and it was Olive who seemed to be punishing Judy for failing to kill Charlie. I don't see any evidence that Fate was involved in that at all.
You have a habit of going "It doesn't say that!" and shooting down any ideas floated across.
No, it doesn't say these things. But it doesn't rule them out. Parson is asking about why he was brought to Erf, and Issac says the Thinkamancers let the spell be made so he could beat Charlie, and that other groups had other interests that Parson's summoning also served. This leads Parson to ask how many prophesies he is fulfilling (fulfilling, not supposed to be fulfilling. He's the chosen one.), and Issac says 4. Parson did not indicate a change of topic by using the word "and."
"Great. And how many prophesies am I fulfilling?"
That would indicate he was moving onto something unrelated. But he didn't say that. He asked about the reasons he was on Erf, and then asked about the prophesies, making the connection that the reason he was on Erf was because he was fated to do things. This is how context works. Something clearly you have a hard time understanding, judging by how often you cut apart other people's posts and only respond to a couple sentences.
Anyway, yeah, obviously it could have been Olive that wanted Judy to kill Charlie. But Judy didn't say that, and Judy knew Jillian had met Olive, so why wouldn't she say "Olive wanted me to kill Charlie?" But if there was a prediction that said a summoned perfect warlord was fated to defeat Charlie, and Judy choose not to do so, it would make a lot of sense based on everything that we know. Judy went against fate, and her life got terrible. Charlie protected himself against dying, but now a summoned warlord, supported by a Hippymancer, is coming after him again. Clearly the prediction would have been made after Judy's summoning, because why would Charlie summon someone he knew was predicted to defeat him, and why would someone predict something happening that no one had ever even imagined before? Charlie invented the spell. Kinda hard for a predictamancer to say that Charlie would be defeated by a warlord summoned from another word when doing so had never crossed anyone's mind before, let alone known to be possible. My proposed timeline is this.
Charlie helps summon Judy to defeat the witches.
Judy gives Dish to Charlie, Charlie attunes.
Perfect Warlord is predicted to defeat Charlie.
Olive attempts to use Judy to defeat her father.
Judy lets Charlie go.
Olive makes Judy's life hell.
The events of the prequel happen.
Judy leaves Erf.
Olive is croaked.
Charlie thinks he's beaten fate and is safe; builds his business unhindered.
Parson is summoned.
Charlie finds out where Parson comes from.
Charlie shits himself.
The only other character we know that escaped doom for a time was Sylvia, and it was the same doom that did her in as what she escaped. Charlie escaped a summoned warlord being backed by a Hippymancer. Now here is Parson, a summoned warlord, backed by Janis. Is it confirmed fate? No. But the similarities are there to be seen.
tl;dr? Yes, it's implied that Parson (or at least someone who was summoned like Parson was) is fated to defeat Charlie, and Parson has a lot in common with Judy in relation to Charlie.