0beron wrote:Wrong and wrong. When the Garden burned, the Banhammer "became" the Jester, that was what Jillian saw as her father's form just like Betsy was the statue, Jack the bird, ect. So there IS in-comic basis for a connection between Banhammer and the Jester. Note however that I say "connection", because it could be something besides her Duty and still draw on her thoughts of Banhammer. As for the Jester's motivations, it urged her not to turn because Banhammer was still alive. Giving up and turning would have saved her life and pain, but it told her not to because her ruler was still alive.Denar wrote:I saw someone made this connection because the jester "is like Banhammer", but that was entirely forum speculation in the past....
The jester does not care about Banhammer OR the side, it only cares about Jillian's self preservation.
Ummmmm... right. OK.
She saw the jester instead of Banhammer. That was the point. All the other Casters became inversions of themselves... but they were still themselves.
It seems ridiculous that I have to point this out, but we know the jester isn't Banhammer... because Jillian was seeing the jester for a long time before Banhammer and co. arrived at efbaum. Unless you're arguing that Banhammer was dancing in front of Jillian every time she had a dream of the jester? And the jester refers to the king later - "Magic Kingdom! Magic Kingdom! Get the King high! Get yourself high!"
The "connection" -the point- is that the jester is in the position of authority now, not the king, and is bossing around Jillian and Jack (the only other person who can "see" the jester). Hell, jack even says that he thinks the jester is a part of Jillian.
It urged Jillian not to turn because that would be stupid and a trap. Jillian should've known straight away that Banhammer wasn't dead because she didn't become a ruler. So they know Olive was lying to her. Why would she outright lie? Well... Olive states that the first thing that she would do (in her plan of merging FAQ and haffaton, and being the overlady) is disband jillian. Jillian willingly turning herself over to that is stupid.