Nargrakhan wrote:Something that's been bothering me... At what point or under what circumstances can a unit disobey a disband command from his ruler? I mean, it seems easy enough for a ruler to kill his would be usurper with a simple thought... and that sorta makes insurrections difficult to pull off unless it's a behind the scene assassination. Still, if the kill isn't instantaneous enough, a ruler's last thought could be to disband the most likely traitor. By the same token, how does one break Duty to their ruler for betrayal? It's one thing to disobey instructions for the good of the king, but an entirely different thing to disobey instructions that allow you to kill the king.
I guess it depends if it's Duty to a side, a ruler or both. We know that Duty can compel a unit to disobey an order if they feel it's not in the best interests of the ruler/side. We know that Caesar loves Transylvito. It pained him to watch part of it burning. So, he still has high Loyalty and/or Duty to his side. His Loyalty to Don has been evaporating for some time now. So, theoretically, Caesar could disobey the disband order from Don if he felt it wasn't in Transylvito's best interests. In that case, Transylvito would no longer pay his upkeep, so he'd either need to go barbarian or usurp the throne. Since his Duty is to Transylvito, it would compel him to remove a ruler that is doing the side harm. That's all wild speculation of course.
0beron wrote:As always, Rob manages to surprise us. All this talk about what Ceasar would do within TV (with some debate about TV as a whole going after FAQ perhaps) but never once did we consider Ceasar spinning off, IIRC.
This miiiiight give us more insight into spinning off, because if that is indeed what Ceasar plans, it suggests you do not need Ruler consent as we previously suspected. But once again it's an heir(designate) doing it, so we ave yet to see suggestion that it can be just anyone.
Haffaton was founded by a warlord that crossed the sea, conquered a barbarian capital site and split from his side to found his own. Now, we know he was an Overlord, so he wasn't royal or noble. Still, he could have been an heir to another Overlord, and he may have had permission to do so, but the impression I got from the story was that he had a capital site and just decided to do it. As always, though, I may be wrong.
Noigel wrote:I think he wants to leverage FAQ to conquer TV. Not conquer FAQ.
Caesar despises Jillian. There is no way he'd ever work with her, especially against his own side. Caesar loves Transylvito, even if he is becoming disillusioned with its ruler.
Sir Shadow wrote:Guys, I think you are looking at this the wrong way. Who said Caesar was going to spin off his own side? He likes TV.
I think Caesar is planning a coup to dispose of Don and his first move after becoming ruler is to take back the previous ruler's 'investment' in FAQ.
That seems to be one of the three most likely things Caesar is planning....
- ...to stage a coup d'état and then attack Faq
- ...to conquer Faq, found his own side and then attack Transylvito
- ...to conquer Faq and hope Don accepts the fait accompli
Of course, just because that is what Caesar may be planning, I can see events unfolding very differently. Personally, from a narrative standpoint, I can't see Faq falling again anytime soon. There is the drama of Jillian trying to turn Ansom. If she was a barbarian again, it would be difficult for her to pay both of their upkeeps. In connection with that, there is the irony of her becoming a queen, since she felt that is what he would have wanted, only to have it now be an obstacle between them. There is also the love-hate relationship between Jillian and Wanda, which requires them to be on different sides for the time being. There is also the friendly relationship between Jillian and Jetstone's new King. While Tramennis was willing to negotiate with Gobwin Knob from a position of strength and was even toying with the idea of an alliance against Charlie, I feel he won't be entertaining those notions after the fall of Spacerock and the death of his father. While I can foresee him eventually allying with Gobwin Knob, it won't be in the near term. Then you have Transylvito. Thematically, they're natural allies to Gobwin Knob. Parson and the Great Minds are planning on contacting sides with Thinkamancers to attempt to gather allies. Transylvito has a Thinkamancer, Bunny, who has grown disillusioned with her ruler's Royalist Crusade and is in love with his soon to be displaced heir. The most likely scenario, to me, is that Vinny informs Don of Caesar's intentions towards Faq. This causes a confrontation between the two that leads to Caesar deposing Don. Caesar attacks Faq and fails, and he ends up allying with Gobwin Knob to oppose their mutual foe. Of course, I'm wrong a lot.
Man, that just sounds like a bad move by Caesar.
Yes, FAQ was a terrible investment. But sacking it won't get your investment back. Better to sack Carpool or Metro cities, and get FAQ's help to do it. Just don't give them any *more* money.
(Obviously, it makes sense to sack FAQ if that *would* get more of the investment back. But I don't think it does? The money's been spent, FAQ has an airforce, why would TV want to fight it...)
Oh hey! I have a new idea! Caesar allies with GK and helps *Stanley* sack FAQ. Again.
Jillian would just *love* that, I'm sure!
Transylvito is almost broke. Sometimes it's better to cut your loses and take a loss on the investment. It's better to some of the money back than to lose it all. Also, the war with Carpool is going poorly. Their cities are theoretically too well defended for Caesar to take with the forces he has available. Faq, on the other hand, has three cities that are virtually undefended, with the entire Faq armada five turns away. Sounds like a better risk-reward scenario to me. Jillian can't maintain her current task force for multiple turns on her purse alone. If Caesar can conquer Faq quickly enough, he would only have to fight a fraction of her current might.
Everyone also seems to be forgetting that Jillian is expecting
I don't feel like archive-digging but I'm fairly certain Vinny knows about the fact FAQ is trying to pop a royal heir. Conquering it, even if it's done in one fell swoop while Jillian is still away, will prevent Jillian's son or daughter from popping (as far as I know).
Add that to the jumbled mess Vinny has to deal with.
Vinny was the one who passed on Don's demand that she begin popping an heir. In a way, he knew she was expecting before she did.
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zbeeblebrox wrote:Ah, and here it is. The main thrust of book three (if you will). Transylvito vs. Transylvito vs. Faq. Now we finally get to see whether Jillian's long experience as a warlord and barbarian have paid off, or if her best strategies are only worth a damn if she's already captured.
You know... if that meant we got to see Parson take off the Warlord hat and put on the Diplomat hat... that would be totally AWESOME.
On the one level, it's the fighting going on between TV & TV & Faq... on another level, it's REALLY a fight between Parson & Tramennis, as they talk & manipulate OTHER sides into either hamstringing themselves, or each other, or allying, or... whoo. That could be GOOD, in a non-fighty sort of way.
I agree. It would be very interesting to watch. I think that's the direction in which the story is moving, but, as I said above, I think Tramennis may not be willing to negotiate immediately after recent events.
CelebrenIthil wrote:FAQ is trying to pop a royal heir. Conquering it, even if it's done in one fell swoop while Jillian is still away, will prevent Jillian's son or daughter from popping (as far as I know). Add that to the jumbled mess Vinny has to deal with.
Yes and no. Cities sites seem to hold a memory of the progress they had made towards popping a unit when they fall. GK City was razed, and as soon as it was rebuilt, it popped the Dwagon that was due that turn. So if FAQ City is captured or razed/rebuilt, it will presumably continue producing it's Heir. However, this situation would invoke a few more questions (and presumably answer most of them)
That isn't quite right. Gobwin Knob never fell. The damage to the city was self inflicted by Sizemore collapsing the tunnels and buildings. It reduced the city from a Level 5 to a Level 0, but it wasn't the same as raising it. When the Battle of Gobwin Knob ended, there were still golems and uncroaked holding the garrison for Gobwin Knob, while all members of the RCC perished. So the city remained the capital of Gobwin Knob the entire time, and there was no interruption in the production, although the production was probably reduced and it still managed to produce a dwagon, which is usually can only be produced by Level 3+ cities. The RCC never claimed and razed the city. So, we have no evidence that a razed city "remember" production. All that scenario proves is that a city can continue to produce a unit even after the city's level has dropped below the threshold usually required to produce that unit.