Lamech wrote:A nuclear bomb is not an attack through conventional forces. However it is still an attack.
Please. The subject of discussion was Charlescomm's use of their forces, independent of any hiring manager, as forces of change in Erfworld. And you're going to cite Kingworld (*Ptui!*)? Really? That took a single hired caster, and Charlie himself. Not conventional forces. So yes, a nuclear bomb isn't an attack using conventional forces. You've made my point for me.
Lamech wrote:Also I was talking about the people he paid a bounty to attack GK's archons. Jetstone? Was a major plot point?
It was a major plot point, but it only supports my point. This is Charlie using others forces to achieve his goals, he didn't attack GKs archons with his own troops, did he?
Lamech wrote:He prefers to do it via proxy or have someone to blame.
I don't need a crapton of qualifiers, you've just agreed to them yourself. Please, read back on what I've said, you might find that we are arguing the same point:
Oberon wrote:So we've seen Charlie use manipulation, mind games, diplomacy, and coercion. But we've never seen a large force of Charlescomm units attack anyone while not under hire to some other side.
Really, point me to the use of Charlescomm units in a mass battle. Please! Because that seems to be our only point of disagreement. We seem to agree that Charlie is well capable of getting others to do his fighting for him, or to be paid to fight for others.