multilis wrote: GWvsJohn wrote: multilis wrote:
In "Stupidworld", most people here able to chat on internet have surplus of money just like Sizemore has rands. There exist people in "Stupidworld" who do not have enough to eat, may starve to death. Those calling Sizemore hypocritical for not giving all his rands to save people from starving should perhaps look if they give all their surplus money to charities to help save people from starving.
(In both worlds also exist risk of people pretending to be starving on order to make a good income from those who donate to the less fortunate, and people who could get a job and earn own income but prefer to beg) I am starving, plz help, send money to hungryWith99ChildrenToFeed@paypal.com
, thank you and god and evolution bless you! Only $100 a day needed to keep me and my 99 children alive!
One other factor is "hopeless"... Dove saw some people as forever starving to death, donating money would only delay things, not save them. Wars on other hand often kill people who would not otherwise starve to death if not given donations every day. Dove was willing to help people who could pay her back.
It's a little different. At the Short Pier, the Casters will literally die tomorrow if you don't help them. And if you give them 1 Rand, they can only use it so survive.
I am standing at Short Pier right now in Stupid world, with my 99 children. Please send 1 dollar for me and one for each of my 99 children. If you don't we will literally die tomorrow, the nigerian militia guy with big gun will shoot us each in head rather than give us enough to eat today. Thank you very much. If you only can send $10 that is ok, you will still save me and 9 children, better than nothing. Paypal is standing by. If you need further proof I can write this in all caps.
(In our world, people may literally starve to death if they don't get food, medicine, etc each day as aid, and others are scammers. Easy for scammers to exist in Erfworld waiting at Short Pier. If it was easy to get rands at the Short Pier, then probably majority there would be scammers... you can collect an extra rand at pier while also making scrolls that day for selling. Even if some way to detect how many rands someone else has, that can be fooled by having a secret trusted ally.)
Why do you continue down that line of dialogue? It's an analogy so warped that it's misleading to use. Here's a better one:
You have cancer. You're having surgery tomorrow. Chances are you're going to die.
^sizemore is facing - at that point - certain defeat at tbogk.
You have plenty of money that you're 99% sure you'll never use.
^see sizemore's words to justify his over-spending to Janis.
You know there is a place literally just outside your front door where people go when they're literally about to die from "not having any money"-itis.
^this is the Magic Kingdom, with zany Erfworld physics. Not a vague statement about "oh, all over the rest of the world, in places you'd never conceivably reach, are people suffering and could die from a whole complicated set of factors". Sizemore can go to the pier and meet literally everyone in that world who want help, and save them by just
throwing a single "1" of currency at them (remember Dove's words? Although some casters go there who are just ready to die - "If you can’t pay your upkeep, then you go stand there to watch the sunrise and disband.
If somebody’s feeling generous, maybe they go by and save you. It’s our last resort.
There’s somebody there almost every day, sometimes more than one" - I've already seen one person say that the people who go to the pier are only those who have given up and don't want help, we see from Dove's words that it's not true.)
Also now to exclude any variables from this analogy - you can't use any of your money for your own benefit at this point (or else I'm pretty sure, if the Rands could have helped Sizemore, he'd have been forced to volunteer that to the side. Regardless he'd have done that anyway because he wants to live), you've got no one to pass it onto, you've only been wasting it recently. You can waste all this money and not be in the shit even if the surgery works, because you have a job (sizemore has his side, so he doesn't need Rands like the barbarian casters need
it's the night before the surgery - who among any of us here would refuse to simply
step outside and just give all our money to the people there? You can do plenty of other things as well, it's zany erfworld time, but who wouldn't do that?
Oh! Sizemore's worried about scammers
is he? Worried that, out of all the barbarians about to die there, some of them aren't quite
at the point of dying yet? So it's better that he tries to save none of them
just in case somebody who doesn't deserve it gets a Rand? ...Wait, weren't we supposed to be making this argument based on whether Sizemore is a "good guy" or not? Because, I, being pro "Sizemore-is-whiny" would happily accept the idea that Sizemore would rather have people die - people who might otherwise be utterly down on their luck, and never have to visit the pier ever again after the day sizemore saves them - that argument suits me rather fine.
Thankfully though we can exclude the argument about "scammers" because Dove says that there's usually somebody
there everyday, sometimes
more. So unless the argument you're making is that there's the same single caster standing there every day (or maybe even an elaborate scheme set up! - where alternating casters pool and waste their valuable time, not seeking jobs, just hoping somebody will appear and give their scamming organisation a rand each day) and nobody's cottoned on, then I don't think "scamming" is a big deal in the MK.
But who knows! Maybe Sizemore actually visited the short pier earlier that day (at the start of the comic), and saved any/all the casters there already. Though from his talk about "flaking" it's more probable that he's spent all his time there, with Janis.
My thoughts are that Sizemore doesn't know about the Long Walk. That suits Dove's words to me. That the organisation of dirtamancers in the MK aren't like anybody else who would care for Digdoug. Sizemore, and the rest of them, who never need to worry about upkeep are just ignorant about casters who live in "poverty" (as "poverty" as you can get in erfworld). He's self-centered and naive, so he just doesn't know, and it's never occurred to him to find out because he's not that sort of person.