theseus2x wrote:First : Regarding the bracer - we've already determined it can do some form of predictamancy based on information Parson couldn't possibly have.
Kind of yes. It will be interesting to see a predictomancer in action. The Faq one seemed to be right on the money every time. Accurate enough to base Faq's entire first line of defense on with Jack. I wonder if Parson's bracer would have been able to act as a substitute for the caster in that scenario....
Second : Remember that while Erfworld units have stats (unlike RW units), there is still a random element regarding success and failure. (Some of us know them as dice ...
) Otherwise, the calculations Parson keeps coming up with would be absolute one way or the other.
I think there could well be more then one "random" element in play. Or certain unknowables. Luck + maybe a units intelligence/ingenuity/creativity (or the Parson factor). So you can still get a very good calculation on your chances based on things like troop numbers/troop types/weather/etc but there will always be those unknown factors which could influence things one way or another.
I'm assuming Watsit Hoohow is referring to the fact Wanda could have dropped back to the forest and consolidated with the forces there. Not sure if it is exactly a surprise though, since it should be the rest of Wanda's strike force that isn't with the dwagons.
ftl wrote:Do people really think we learned something new about the bracer here???
I agree with your post, I don't think anything new has come to light, although it is nice to get more examples of it being used.
PlotArmour wrote:It's incredible. It's like you can't even keep straight in your head what you're arguing anymore. Pretty much nothing in your last post contradicts what I just said... I don't even know why you bothered posting most of it. The whole point you contested was my claim that it was now obvious killing slately and his heir ends the side, which you disputed... and now you seem to be agreeing (while trying to create the impression you're not).
No, it was the level of certainty I was debating.
1 - You say "Parson/Wanda/Oss" would know what is what, so if it is said the side will end, then it will end with Slately dead.
To which I said - Parson is saying "should". Based on his knowledge
of how things work, and assuming he somehow knows Oss was the heir, then Jetstone should end if Wanda burns the tower and kills Slately. But the should, to me, still reads like Parson isn't 100% sure it is the case - maybe Oss isn't the heir etc.
2 - You aksed if Parson wasn't sure the side would end with Slately dead why put Wanda onto this course of action.
To which I said - it was always going to be be a kill Slately mission, and even if the side wouldn't end automatically it would still win the battle and mess up Jetstone completely. If Oss was heir, well, in the original plan he wasn't going to be killed first up, meaning they still saw the value in taking out Slately even if the heir was still alive and free for a short time.
You'll have to direct me to the trees, though again I don't see how this matters alot... GK is doing a hit and run... they will see the Archons coming a mile away, and adjust accordingly (if they're in the hex, which would be stupid for reasons covered already). If there are too many Archons, they will retreat (possibly after croaking Slately, since Jack can just make them invisible if need be apparently, buying them lots of time), if there aren't enough to overwhelm them then you have to wonder why not (are Charlie and Jillian super smart, or super stupid, be consistent).
Going back to read the post I pointed out it was in page two of this book
. On the Jetstone side. Trees. Woods. Hills. You have been arguing all sorts of reasons why Archons couldn't be there and if they were it would be DEM because warlords would see them or Jack would see them and turns/battlespace etc etc Seeing that again (warlords would see them) I said "ok, woods in the Jetstone hex - maybe if there are Archons they could be hidden in the trees. Or behind them" Unless Jack has x-ray eyes I doubt he is going to spot some grounded Archons, veiled in a wood off in the distance. Likewise I imagine Jetstone isn't wasting it's warlords searching its own forests.
And I've said before, I still don't know why you think Archons could only possibly be useful in overwhelming numbers. It's not like the times we've seen them at their best it hasn't been in small groups. The Flash mob, the shock treatment attack with the dwagons, the three with Jillian (mainly the one who talked her through it), the couple leading Ansom in the dance fight... and considering possible magics - hmmm, foolamancy, shockmancy, thinkamancy, different levels... yes, I can easily imagine a small strike force of high level archons could have a big impact, it doesn't have to be hundreds of them. If that is even the plan (hence the silly criticism of something that hasn't even happened).
the_tick_rules wrote:I'm guessing it's been brought up but why would wanda wanna just erase a side? They're no good to anyone dusted. Unless as a croakamancer and guided by an unclear destiny she feels she has this method has an appeal to her?
I not sure she wants to erase any side, but for Wanda if that is what it takes, well, so be it, no skin off her nose.
multilis wrote:It is possible a side can only have 1 heir at a time.
It seems that a royal side can pop as many royal heir units as they want. Jetstone had three princes, TV once had a prince and princess. I'd guess that when they have more then one though the ruler picks the one that will take the throne when they croak, while the others are in reserve (or for making a new side) and have to be manually selected should anything happen to the first in line.
And so my time with the Tardy Elves draws to a close, and I am let to ponder how the experience will... eh, I'll finish later. No need to rush.