Lord Kasavin wrote:I very much disagree that Stanley can't disband Wanda. Unless there's some rule technicality such as Wanda's actually a mercenary and not a GK unit, than the idea of being immune to disbanding is completely alien to Erfworld.
Also, if she is a mercenary, then it is unclear who the decrypted actually belong to. When allied with a side, presumably that side will cover upkeep. If that is the case, then if Wanda breaks alliance, then she would have to cover the upkeep for the decrypted army from her purse, which would likely be impossible.
Ofc, that would mean that you can promote an allied unit to Chief Warlord status, which seems a little unreasonable.
I wonder if there is a distinction between a barbarian being hired and 2 "capital" sides forming an alliance.
If a side hired a croakamancer from the MK, would any uncroaked units belong to the side that does the hiring.
MonteCristo wrote:One nice question would be to find out what would happen is Stanely gave a decrypted an order that conflicted with Wanda's... though i think my money would be on Wanda in that case...
I think it would obey Stanley for an actual order. However, if there is any discretion, then it would follow Wanda's order. In effect, decrypted would likely follow the spirit of Wanda's orders, but the letter of Stanley's.
the ONLY thing that might protect Wanda from disbanding MIGHT be the pliers
It really comes down to the "turning" mechanic.
Presumably, the sequence of events was something like
- Stanley killed Banhammer
- Jillian became Queen, so the Faq units didn't disband
- Stanley turned all the living casters in Faq
- Stanley burned the cities to the group
- Jillian became a barbarian
Turning presumably switches the unit's formal side. However, the unit tends to have low loyalty.
Thus, Wanda is likely a GK unit, it is just that she has low loyalty.
Also, Stanley make have turned the units during the battle, because he realised how valuable casters are (but accidentally killed the predictamancer).
The only thing that might protect her is the pliers
Right. They are an unknown. She is the first non-Ruler to attune (at least that we are aware of).
Lord Kasavin wrote: PlotArmour wrote:
Jillian did not disband when her father croaked because she was a HEIR
How did Sizemore fare when Saline IV was croaked?
Uh, Sizemore was with Stanley when Saline was croaked, you know, the heir of GK?
It seems reasonable that if a side has an Heir, then its units don't disband if the Ruler is killed.
Dancing Cthulhu wrote:And Wanda telling it like it is? The decrypted don't truly belong to GK any more then their original side, they belong to her
Right, I think that was a pretty significant statement.
PlotArmour wrote:I thought the mechanics on those sorts of things were kind of clear. Heirs, at least, will survive the death of their side and go barbarian. Any troops under their command at the time (or at the very least in their personal stack) don't disband but remain serving them. This we learnt from Jillian.
It is unclear. In fact, there seems little point in having an Heir if killing the Ruler still turns the side barbarian. At minimum, the other cities freeze, and if the Heir retakes the capital, they unfreeze without any units disbanding.
Ofc, there is still the issue with regards to what happens to field units that aren't with the Heir during the transition.
I think the likely difference is that Faq lost all of its cities and thus Jillian went barbarian.
Also, when Don King became King, he was in the capital at the time, so presumably, the transfer of power was instant, with no units disbanding.