Menas wrote: JustDoug wrote:
Ninjaguineapig wrote:Jews and Christians don't recognize the existence of Ba'al, since they are monotheistic religions. And there is no Judeo-Christian G-d. Jews and Christians have entirely different beliefs and values. Just an example, Christianity has that 'turn the other cheek' thing. If someone is going to hit a Jew, he's supposed to preempt his attacker.
Utterly wrong, except the Ba'al part. The "Big Three" religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam all derive from the same root belief system: early Judaism. By their own tenets and history, all worship the same diety. They share many of the same historical holy figures (John the Baptist, anyone?), dogma and beliefs. Where do you think the Old Testament of the Christian Bible and many of the basic tenets of Islam came from? What religion was Jesus of Nazareth? From Whence did Muhammad's beliefs spring from?
They're essentially Super Sects* of the same religion. Each one just thinks that the others got all the details wrong and need correcting.
Islam is something completely different. The founder for Islam was Mohammed, and their holy book is the Koran. According to Mohammed, he was visited by an Angel and given the contents of Allah's (God for islamics/muslims) holy book. The founder of Mormonism claimed almost exactly the same thing (he was given a different book).
It's true that Islam shares some similarities to Judaism, such as being a monotheistic religion. Also, some of their laws appear to be similar to some of those presented in the Old Testament. But the similarities end there, apart from any shared lessons that happen to be taught by both. Like do not steal, for instance.
Actually, both Jews and Muslims believe that they descended from Abraham. Jews from his son Isaac, and Muslims from his son Ishmael. Also, the angel who appeared to Muhammad is the angel Gabriel; the same one who visited the the Virgin Mary. The difference is that Islam teaches that Muhammad was the last prophet, which neither Judaism nor Christianity accept. Also, both Jews and Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, as opposed to the son of God.
Sinrus wrote:And the Titans vs. Olympians (or really the entire section of mythology during the early days of Greece) represents the social conflict between the indigenous matriarchal tribes and the invading Mycenaeans.
That has more than a whiff of New-Age revisionism about it. Maybe you could point me to where I can read more about that theory?
I'm not sure where you can find information about it, but I studied Greek mythology in English and History (at my school they're combined into one class, Humanities) this year. The tribes native to the area now know as Greece were a matriarchal society that worshiped a single Gaia-figure. The invading Myceneans, the people who eventually set up the famous civilization of Ancient Greece, were a patriarchal warrior-tribe.
Rather than use brute force to conquer the region, the Mycenaeans united the two religions. Since the Greek peninsula is so mountainous, the various indigenous tribes had slightly different ideas that encompassed their respective goddesses. Because of this, nearly all greek goddesses are based off of them. Some examples are Aphrodite, Hera, Artemis, Metis (technically a titaness), and most obviously, Gaea herself.
The origin story of Greek Mythology tells a tale in which men dominate the universe. Cronus's (Kronos) and Ouranus's wives are portayed as unfaithful, devious, and untrustworthy and serve as a model for the Mycenaean view of women. Of course, this also makes them seem more intelligent, a problem which is solved by the story of Zeus's first wife, Metis. Metis was the titaness of wisdom and the most intelligent of the immortals. Zeus hears a prophecy that she will bear a son who will be stronger than his father, so Zeus tricks her and swallows her whole. He then gains her wisdom. Later on, Athena, the goddess of wisdom, is born out of Zeus's head.
Ninjaguineapig wrote:Jews and Christians don't recognize the existence of Ba'al, since they are monotheistic religions.
Actually, one of the many names for the devil is Beelzebub, which, translated, means 'Follower of Ba'al.'