Kreistor wrote:Who says God has to be "unknowable"?
Every single god "capital G" has, in matter of fact, to be unknowable. All the qualified gods you refer to are not actually gods, just natural beings claiming the title.
Kreistor wrote:You presume that since we cannot currently locate his position that we can never, and that we cannot overcome whatever roadblocks He has put in place. That's a huge assumption.
Any such assumption is entirely in your mind, and you are putting your words in my mouth. What I actually said is "If a God existed". Do you see the capital?. It means "Classical creator god that everyone knows a person is referring to when he capitalises the concept god" and I said nothing else about Him/Her/It/Them. Because the discussion wasn't specifics like position or roadblocks or anything else, it was EXISTANCE.
Kreistor wrote:Sorry, no, that is based on a flawed understanding of science. Supernatural is beyond what is currently understood to be natural. Science is the study of the natural world, and continues to push back the borders constantly. As we quantify and define what was once undefinable, the Supernatural becomes natural. This is an already existing process.
No, friend, you don't get your own definition of words, just because they suit your argument.
su·per·nat·u·ral /ˌso͞opərˈnaCH(ə)rəl/ Adjective
(of a manifestation or event) Attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
Anyway, you are arguing semantics which, if you bothered to read my original post, I had already allowed for. You are in fact arguing to try to get me to accept something I already claimed. i.e. profoundly wasting your time.
Here is the detail of my my original post that has started this hare for you.
Well, if a God did exist, which you just accepted was possible, then ex facto there would have to be super-natural effects, that is all gods are about eh?. Without "Supernatural" effects that can't be explained by Science, He isn't a God, just someone with super-science.
So, you are wasting your breath trying to teach me about the obvious fact that any fool knows, i.e. science has explained a lot of the supernatural beliefs of mankind. Guess what, I already knew this.
I repeat "IF if if if if if if if if if a God did exist . . . then ex facto there would have to be super-natural effects". Do you need me to define Ex Facto for you?.
There are too many possible incarnations of God to draw such a conclusion. You are restricting the concept to the Judeo-Christian definition, while excluding a merely superior being that is pretending to be Omniscient and Omnipotent. My term God extends far beyond that limited definition, but includes it in the set of possible entities.
Your term God?. But, you know, you are talking English so as to communicate with us.
You don't get your own term "God". It is an English word with a concrete definition. People who want their own language ought not pretend to talk sense to their community.