Lamech wrote: Lilwik wrote:
MonteCristo wrote:Though i do think Ossomer could be a key to getting Ansom to turn. getting Ansom to turn is gonna take more than a few spells, but instead shattering his decrypted world view. The mere knowledge that Ossomer turned could help put some cracks into Ansom's world view.
I really don't think Ansom would be impressed much by Ossomer turning. Ansom would be saddened, but nothing more. Of course I have no real evidence, but Ansom seems to be the unshakable type to me and nothing short of magic (or death, of course) would get him to turn.
What I'm hoping to see is Vanna's magic when she goes to turn Ansom. I wonder if it would be anything like Wanda's attempt to turn Jillian, or perhaps all of that plus more. I expect that nothing Jillian could do would come close to the work of an actual Turnamancer.
I for one think that Ossomer turning is going to strengthen his world view if anything. At the very least it gives GK a nice weapon in the ideological war. Can''t say the decrypted are nothing but puppets when, they clearly aren't puppets. It will also make Jillian be blatantly hypocritical with any assault on decryption. "Its mind control!" doesn't work when you engage in it.
Indeed it probably makes GK about the only side on the planet that doesn't run on snuffing out life.
I'd say ossomer's case suggests the opposite actually. One minute he's a royalist, then after decryption he is instantly a toolist, and then after thinking for himself, without the aid of any kind of magic, he decides to become a royalist again. The fact that Ossomer's world view changed instantly with his decryption suggests the work of magic, the work of brainwashing, where as him turning back to the royals without the aid of ANY magic at all, suggests an act of free will. Heck this is actually like the suggestion spell Jillian was under. She made excuses for herself to keep doing what was in wanda's best interest, it seemed like she was making the choice herself, but the truth was she was under the effect of a spell... by all observations it seemed like she was following her own; this is, until the suggestion spell clashed with her desires; only then did she break free and make her own choice. Frankly, Jillian following and then breaking Wanda's suggestion feels quite similar to Ossomer following and then breaking away from toolism.
Ansom BELIEVES he follows Wanda out of his own will, but how does he know for a fact that he's not really brainwashed? A brainwashed person isn't going to know they have been brainwashed. Decyption may work sorta like the suggestion spell; in order to create loyalty to makes subtle changes to the subjects mind to make them think they choose to follow by their own will. They make the subject fall in love with the Wielder of the Pliers so they will WANT to keep following them; and in Ansom's case, since he has always been a follower of the titans, the pliers have convinced him that THIS is the way of the titans and thus he keeps following. If he were however, to have that belief challenged and believe that this is NOT the will of the titans, then the spell may break... that is what happened to ossomer; like Ansom he believe in following the titans and upon decryption believed he was following the titans will by following the tools; but after seeing GK in action he came to think "this can't possibly be what the titans wanted" and thus the spell over him broke.
Ossomer turning may allow Ansom to start question whether its really his own will that he follows the tools, of its just a spell at work. Cause if its not, then this may NOT be the will of the titans. Keep pushing him and he could break like Ossomer did.
Jabberwocky wrote:Okay, a slight tangent here.. But am I the only one a bit creeped out by the 'woman keeps ex-boyfriend in cage and has him brainwashed' vibe here?
I'd say the suggestion is that she has him cagged up with the intention of UN-brainwashing him