0beron wrote:Thaaaaaaaank you Rob! Every time you give us a single date/duration, I pretty much do a jig.
Agreed that 80,000 isn't as long as it sounds, but it's a very valuable number to know, because I think it tells us something about Wanda's age and her peers. I still don't think Jetstone could have been around when Haffaton was gobbling up sides, given their proximity to FAQ.
Also, just love this whole update for the insights into Trem. It's exciting to see the direction he is thinking already....he's not condemning GK and cursing them for taking his family....he's talking about surviving, by (possibly) any means necessary.
I don't see why Jetstone could not have existed back then; in fact i think this reinforces the belief that they did. I mean, Haffaton was about 10,000 turns old when it fell. To assume that Jetstone began after haffaton fell is to assume that Wanda and Jillian are both over 80,000 turns old. Furtharmore, Jetstone is not THAT close to Faq. Gk is east of Faq, unaroyal is east of them and Jestone i think is somewhere furthar east... not to mention that's space rock and not necessarily the old capitol of Jetstone. Haffaton surrounded Faq on all sides except the south, but i don't think its ever made clear how far eastward it extended. Jetstone could have easily been one of the sides the neighbored the gigantic haffaton.
Heck, personally i think Spacerock might have been a result of haffaton's fall. It seems like it should be no coincidence that "spacerock" has a name that coincides with the "jetstone" theme(it was also a royal side). After haffaton fell, Jetstone may have moved to absorb many of its cities and then spun off one of those cities into SpaceRock... however things would did not remain peaceful and Jetstone and space rock would go to war with jetstone reclaiming Spacerock. Or its possible that one of Jetstones princes got ambitious when he saw the neutral capitol and decided to claim it for himself, naming himself SpaceRock the King; and thus the two sides were NEVER on good terms to begin with... though personally i'm curious as to which side GK might have spun off from.
Yeah, problem with that is that Wanda, Haffaton's Erf
Croakamancer, is currently stomping all over Jetstone territory with an army that marches under Haffaton's banner. Also, the lack of an RCC in Haffaton's face is rather telling.
Really i don't recall anything that suggests that Haffaton covered Jetstone space. We don't know a whole lot, but from what we do know would suggest that Faq is west of GK which is west of Unaroyal which is west of SpaceRock (location of jetstones old capitol is unknown). Haffaton may cover atleast where GK is, but that does not mean it stretches all the way to cover jetstone... Haffaton is a huge side and surrounds Faq on 3 sides, but it may stretch more to the NorthWest of Faq, than the south east. In fact looking up past pages supports that idea; When Jillian was fleeing Haffaton and heading back to Faq, she seemed to be heading SouthEast
implying that the capitol of Haffaton is to the Northwest of Faq; the opposite direction of spacerock; which is again, somewhere east of Faq. Not only could jetstone have been around, its possible that unaroyal was aswell(though they would have been haffaton's neighbor)
Haffaton just can't have fallen in Slately's day. Maybe during the reign of a King who wasn't so big on hunting Overlords, but not while Slately was in power and not while anyone who could have known Wanda's reputation was alive (obviously those in no position to pass the information along are excempt from this).
First, that assumes that Slately was king back then; and we know theirs been atleast 15 king's that preceded him. Second, it assumes that there was enough royal sides willing to fight haffaton to actually build a coalition out of. We don't know how many royal sides existed back then, and given Haffaton's size, many sides would fear Haffaton too much to fight them. Even if someone like Slately or a previous king of jetstone WANTED to put haffaton's overlady "in her place", he might have a lot of trouble building up the support to do so; the royal sides may have also been on unfriendly terms. By the time Haffaton came close enough to matter to them, they would have already become an enormous side.
Not to mention the story was focused on Faq's encounter with Haffaton. There's not really much excuse to even mention what was going on between Haffaton and any of the other sides around it.
And as for Wanda; some may have heard of the Croakmancer's reputation, but that didn't mean they knew her by name; just that she was the croakmancer of Haffaton.