spriteless wrote:Prove it using only information available in 2013!
Taikei no Yuurei wrote: there is nothing stopping Erfworlders from using the word, they just don't, as it is akin to a curse word for them.
conmor wrote:charlie probably learned the words from the first pcw and decided to use them when talking to another person from the same place in an effort to make a better deal.
conmor wrote:charlie is nothing if not adaptable. my guess is that he spoke at least a bit with judy (with would be 38-40k be parson showed up) when she was not being mad at golems that 8used to be her friends. charlie already had a basis and would know words like kill or year or week or day. he spoke to parson at first through the eyebooks and would have time between responses to process a word that he didn't know if it showed up. there is a fairly limited amount of words that erfworlders wouldn't know and charlie would've had time to learn over half of that small list from Judy. sizemore had a problem understanding the concepts behind parson's speech than the words themselves.
Taikei no Yuurei wrote: the central idea there is that the dish lets Charlie see into our world to some degree. It could explain alot while still having him be an Erfworlder.
Alpha the White wrote:Regardless, I still think it's very important that Erfworld is like a huge joke that only Parson is in on...except that Charlie is, too.
Taikei no Yuurei wrote:Alpha the White wrote:Regardless, I still think it's very important that Erfworld is like a huge joke that only Parson is in on...except that Charlie is, too.
It's also a joke that Judy was in on, to at least a tiny extent. Remember that when she left, she said something about returning to Kansas, but Judy wasn't from Kansas, Dorthy was. So that only makes sense if she grasped that the world she was in was reflecting the Wizard of Oz as the movie she had been in.
I'm not sure why Parson thought she couldn't be the same Judy he knew, but my theory was that she didn't die in stupidworld, but was instead brought to Erfworld, and didn't come back to stupidworld till much later, when she couldn't be recognized. Or, she left, then returned right away, and that is where her 'death by drugs' came from: the heroine bud that has lethal withdrawal.
Godzfirefly wrote:For the sake of discussion, I'll accept your premise that Judy might have been the original source for Frank L Baum's original The Wonderful Wizard of Oz book in the comic continuity. It's actually one of the most defensible arguments you've made to date anyway, since we have literally no evidence to suggest otherwise and it would give a semi-plausible way for the Wizard of Oz story to have played out in Erf and also be told in Stupidworld.
If we accept that premise, let's follow it to its logical conclusion.
A) The Wonderful Wizard of Oz 1st edition was published in May of 1900. Frank L Baum was said to have written the book based on stories he told to his sons as they was growing up, and the first son was born in 1883. That's a reasonable range to work from, spanning 17 years or a little over 6200 turns during which Judy might have left Erfworld.
B) The Erfworld comic started in 2008, so it's safe to assume that was the year that Parson was summoned.
C) This means that anywhere from 108-125 years or 39420-45625 turns passed between the period of Haffaton's Fall and Parson's Summoning. That is a long time...
Certain things could be gleaned from this estimate, if it is accurate.
2) Being ruler of Jetstone is much more dangerous than being a barbarian warlord, a caster of Faq/Gobwin Knob, or Charlie. After all, there were 16 rulers of Jetstone in 80,000 turns (about 5000 turns or 14 years each, on average.) And, Jack, Jillian, Wanda, and Charlie all survived the alleged 40-45 thousand turns without significant death. This would also suggest that the Great Minds aren't all that old, since the oldest of them is 28,800 Turns or about 79 years...only about 2/3 the elapsed time.
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