Book 2, Text 38 explicitly says that only Thinkamancers are aware of G-strings, but G-strings are still at the foundation of every discipline. "The most important of these was the ability to sense Grandiocosmic Strings, the conduits of all magic power in Erfworld." Since we are talking about all magical power, that means that other disciplines must be doing something like pushing magic through G-strings without being aware of the G-strings.0beron wrote:Only Thinkamancers use G-Strings, there is no evidence or even hint that other casters are aware of/able to manipulate them. In fact, they are regarded as one of Thinkamancy's most valuable secrets. If other disciplines worked by manipulating them, sure Master Class casters of those disciplines would discover them.
I see where you are coming from and in a sense I agree. Certainly in order to have the full truth someone would need to fully understand every discipline, but just as certainly there are some disciplines which are better at accessing information than others. A Dittomancer can tell you many important things about Dittomancy, but that is nothing compared to the wealth of information that a Lookamancer would have access to. Not only can the Lookamancer tell you about Lookamancy, but also about everything that is happening within a radius of several hexes.0beron wrote:Third, how could any discipline be "better suited" to see the deepest truths?
Some spells seem to be like that, especially in disciplines of Spookism, Stuffamancy, and Naughtymancy. Other spells seem more like telescopes that directly extend a caster's senses to things that would be invisible, especially in disciplines of Hocus Pocus and Eyemancy. In this case, Thinkamancy gives Thinkamancers the ability to sense G-strings. Thinkamancers don't know about G-strings because long study of Thinkamancy has revealed a hidden truth; to Thinkamancers the G-strings weren't hidden at all because they have magic that reveals them. "A Thinkamancer could feel out the G-Strings of the world, and vibrate upon them by plucking. That was how a Thinkagram was sent, and so much else."0beron wrote:Casting a spell is like throwing a ball, alone it's not going to teach you anything about the secrets of the world, you have to study and gain understanding in order to know that.
Agreed. Some disciplines give you answers to the deep questions, some give you answers to the practical questions, and only all of them together and long, careful study can answer every question.0beron wrote:So to understand the universe as a whole, you'd need that Master-level understanding in all magics, and no spellcast is going to give you the same quality of "picture" that you'd get with such understanding.
Lilwik wrote:A very important reference for this subject is Book 2, Text 38 which is the update where we learn about Thinkamancy from Maggie's perspective. In that update G-strings seem to be the foundation upon which Thinkamancy is built, so it seems that it would be impossible for Parson to have no G-string. No G-string should mean no Thinkagrams. We also have to wonder why Maggie didn't mention anything about Parson's G-string if it really were very unusual, but that could be explained by G-strings being secret.
Another important reference is Book 2, Text 40. Perhaps any theory should take into account nodes and G-string vibrations somehow.
Shai_hulud wrote:I propose the fabric of the universe is made from G-strings made into textiles. Get it?
Illusion makes me think of Foolamancy, not Signamancy. Perhaps a relevant page is Book 0, Text 31, not that I can see any solid conclusions coming out of it.Falcon X wrote:Signamancy. Signamancy is huge and everywhere. What if everything the units see is Signamancy. It's like in The Matrix. The people in the matrix can't see the code that makes up their bodies. But if they are shot in the matrix, their code is influenced, and all the units see is the illusion of Signamancy.
G-Strings are the conduits of all magical power in Erfworld. Surely that means that without G-Strings there is no magic, which should rule out golems without G-Strings. Surely even dirt should have G-Strings, to make Dirtamancy possible.Falcon X wrote:Or better, G-Strings ARE the Life element. Everything a unit sees about another unit with LIFE is Signamancy. Erfworld does have physical terrain, buildings, and Dollamancy with no Life that also have no G-Strings.
Similarly I have noticed that the Life element seems to be connected to the observational power of a discipline. The discplines without the Life element tend to be the blind disciplines: Spookism, Stuffamancy, Naughtymancy, Clevermancy. Those disciplines grant certain senses, since a Croakamancer can sense the bodies she is working with and a Dirtamancer can sense the dirt he is shaping, but that's not much compared to disciplines like Lookamancy, Thinkamancy, Predictamancy, Signamancy, and Findamancy. All of the disciplines that reveal things as part of their specialty have the Life element. I'm not sure what that means, but I'm sure it means something.Falcon X wrote:That is why Stuffamancy, Spookism, and Naughtymancy all don't have access to the Life Element. Because they all only manipulate Matter and Motion, not G-strings. now, Naughtymancy is tough to say that about, but Shockamancy only destroys Life, not manipulate it. And Croakamancy only animates dead bodies rather than gives them Life.
Lilwik wrote:Illusion makes me think of Foolamancy, not Signamancy. Perhaps a relevant page is Book 0, Text 31, not that I can see any solid conclusions coming out of it.
That is actually a very astute statement. My only possible counter for it is to say that when a Dirtamancer, or Croakamancer, or Dollamancer makes a golem, they might be creating an ad-hock G-String that only goes between the caster and the golem.Lilwik wrote:G-Strings are the conduits of all magical power in Erfworld. Surely that means that without G-Strings there is no magic, which should rule out golems without G-Strings. Surely even dirt should have G-Strings, to make Dirtamancy possible.
That brings to mind Book 0, Episode 56, an excellent source for deep questions about magic. Maxwell the Thinkamancer and Barton the Dollamancer are both dead at that point, but the golems still go on. They lost the quality of Life when Maxwell died, but golems don't usually have that quality.Falcon X wrote:Though, you might instantly disprove this if you find an instant of a golem continuing on after the caster died.
Falcon X wrote:As much as that bad joke made me want to stab myself in the eye, it's the exact thing Rob would put into Erfworld.
Lilwik wrote:That brings to mind Book 0, Episode 56, an excellent source for deep questions about magic. Maxwell the Thinkamancer and Barton the Dollamancer are both dead at that point, but the golems still go on. They lost the quality of Life when Maxwell died, but golems don't usually have that quality.Falcon X wrote:Though, you might instantly disprove this if you find an instant of a golem continuing on after the caster died.
- LIAB Text 40"This one was modeled on a gwiffon, made of Thinkamancy-polarized Stuff and imprinted with Signamancy in bright yellow."
Relevant section colored blue.The Signs were all over her. It was interesting to see. Her hair was just a little longer every turn. Her cheeks were just a bit rounder. She was losing muscle tone, but acquiring a grace in her posture.
It gave Vinny some hope that she wouldn't croak him when she understood what he was asking.
He'd never actually seen anyone before and after they became a Ruler. Like anything, it changed you. The Signamancers claimed that all Stuff was Foolamancy. Our bodies and all the things we see and touch were supposed to only be Signs: symbols of their true nature. Vinny didn't know about all that, but a person's appearance was definitely a Sign. It told you how they think about themselves. And how others see them.
Nothing changes those things so suddenly and drastically as taking the throne. She was fighting it. She was denying it. But Queen Jillian was becoming more mature, more of a monarch every day. Can't hide the Signs.
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