It's not an invented explanation and you're right that no explanation is needed. The point is that changing the turn might be something that Vanna made to happen like a screwdriver turning in a screw rather then like a general giving an order. To make that point no one needs to explain anything; they just need to suggest a possibility that fits that hole in our knowledge, because doing so demonstrates that there is a hole in our knowledge. We don't know enough about how Turnamancy works to start ruling out possibilities, and if someone wants to claim detailed knowledge of how Turnamancy works then that requires explanation.0beron wrote:Even MORE invented explanations where none is needed!
It would be nice to have an explanation for that. If we know that, then where does it come from?0beron wrote:Either it is one's turn or it is not.
Wanda's mind control spell on Jillian in Book 1 had an effect and also failed. We haven't seen many failed spells, but I'd expect most failed spells to have some effect.0beron wrote:Nor has a spell had an effect yet also failed.
Croakamancy isn't like flipping a light switch; that was made very clear in Book 0, Episode 5 and others. Uncroaking is a process of repairing the broken bits and replacing the missing bits with magical motion. Surely if a Croakamancer were to run out of juice or be distracted in the middle of that process you would end up with a half-uncroaked body.0beron wrote:Wanda uncroaks a body or she doesn't, she doesn't make a body start walking only to have it revert back to a corpse.
I don't know how Turnamancy works, but I'd bet that digging a tunnel is not a good analogy for whatever Vanna did to change the turn.0beron wrote:Sizemore digs a tunnel or he doesn't, he doesn't start digging and then get buried when the dirt suddenly reappears.
Lilwik wrote:changing the turn might be something that Vanna made to happen like a screwdriver turning in a screw rather then like a general giving an order.
Lipkin wrote:Other conceivable options.
It is also possible that she was casting from the reserves of the tower.
We don't know.
Who are you talking about? Me? I love, Lipkin he's awesome, I'd never have him Foe'd. However I don't think Tower reservers are the answer here. It seems that there are 3 ways Towers get used.Werebiscuit wrote:Wondered when that would surface again *puts his fingers in his ears, screws up his eyes, hunches down and waits....*Lipkin wrote:It is also possible that she was casting from the reserves of the tower.
Ps. not getting at you for suggesting it Lipkin...I saw it rear it's ugly head as a possibility again a page back in the discussion. Let's hope he's foe'd you and doesn't see it.
0beron wrote:....logic, where did it go? Even MORE invented explanations where none is needed! Either it is one's turn or it is not. There's no wonky "I am simultaneously on and off turn at the same time!" state of being.
0beron wrote:Nor has a spell had an effect yet also failed. Wanda uncroaks a body or she doesn't, she doesn't make a body start walking only to have it revert back to a corpse. Sizemore digs a tunnel or he doesn't, he doesn't start digging and then get buried when the dirt suddenly reappears. There is no halfway status that later fails and reverts. Either the spell works or it doesn't. Since when did erfworld turn into some bizarre twist of Schrodinger's cat?
Really? Are you sure? Because what exactly would you call the phenomenon you and Lilwik were proposing? A situation where it is still GK's turn, except that it isn't? I don't give a rat's behind about our world's physics, because as Parson has discovered at every turn, Erfworld wipes its butt with them. I used the term Schrodinger as an analogy for this proposition that there was this intermediate/unknown/whatever state that was on a turn yet not at the same time. Trying to argue your case on atomic events and QM is of literally zero relevance, so why are you trying?drachefly wrote:As for Schrodinger... heh. Funny that you should mention that, even though I didn't go anywhere freaking NEAR it in my suggestion.
And then there is this. Says who/what? How can you know that? What happens at a turn boundary, and where is your evidence that any of these things are modified by a Turnamancer? Rations pop, move depletes, new move is restored, hits are healed, things are cleaned, and all of these are things a Turnamancer has never been said to effect.drachefly wrote:Since many things happen at turn boundaries and especially since Turnamancers can modify those things independently, it seems like turn changes have moving parts.
I mentioned it before, but since debates like this often turn into walls-o-text that can be hard to follow, I don't blame you for misisng it. But put simply, the comic suggests the opposite. Casters always burn up their spare juice before they get to next turn, and even when they know a big battle is coming a few turns in the future, they always invest it in projects rather than saving up, and plus everything else in Erfworld restores to full at the start of Turn, so why would Juice be the outlier?Shai_hulud wrote:Still not sure why casters can't just have a reserve.
This explains the theory best I feel.Lipkin wrote:Not sure why anyone who has sealed a cat in a box would expect it to be alive after more than few minutes.
0beron wrote:Wanda also very cleanly tells us what happens if she fails to uncroak a body, when she suggests doing her mass-uncroak for Tommy. It's ruined, the spell fails, no uncroaked, that's all folks, thanks for coming, show's over.
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