Sinrus wrote: Menas wrote:
PlotArmour wrote:To summarise; I have no problem with Charlie and TV having troops to help, they obviously want to be involved. If Charlie has 200 Archons committed to the battle, that's fine. What's ridiculous, and what makes it a Dues Ex Machina, is them turning up in the middle of the battlespace when logic to date tells us they can't, and winning the battle.
Except that logic doesn't tell us they can't be there. I have yet to see one case in the storyline where a veil hasn't worked, so there's no reason to believe the archons can't be in the vicinity and veiled, especially if the people in the area don't have enough information to know that they should specificially be looking for them.
Ahem. Ibrows. Ossomer. Capture. Arrows. Dittomancer.
The veil worked in this case. Jetstone didn't even know the units they were attacking weren't real until their arrows went right through them.
The point I was making was that no-one yet in the storyline has seen through a veil PRIOR to it being used for the purpose it was designed for.
- Parson used a veil on the twoll to trick Ansom. Worked. Didn't go away until the twoll attacked.
- Jack used a veil to make dwagons and archons look like siege and infantry. Worked. Didn't go away until Ansom told him to drop the veil.
- Jack used displacement to make units appear to be somewhere they weren't. Worked. Jetstone didn't know the units weren't real until they discovered they weren't taking any damage. And until Jack got hurt and they went away, but it was a moot point by then as they already knew the displaced units were fake.
In each of these cases, the veil didn't go away until the person using it attacked (which means it served its purpose), or intentionally dropped it. In none of these cases did anyone recognize that a veil was present prior to the attacker having the drop on them.
So again, there's no reason to believe Charlie's units couldn't be there and veiled without being discovered.