Oberon wrote:Also, domination (the scroll on Jillian. This may be what you were calling hypnosis), messing with loyalty, spotting spells on others, breaking spells on others via a pep-talk, leading dance fights via a DDR, interfering with or disrupting others who are leading dance fights via a DDR, and spotting veils. It's late and I'm tired, I may have missed a good handful.
Most of that has little to do with the dish or thinkamancy. Spotting magic/veils, Dance-fighting are abilities Archons can have.
And when were the Archons guiding Ansom disrupting others who were leading a dance fight? Wanda was still doing her thing, just completely outnumbered by a now dancing enemy (I might be misreading you post, sorry if I am).
Parson and his forces were trying to interfere with the Archons leading Ansom leading the coalition force by killing them/effecting them with magic, but they didn't have the resources to take out all the Archons (since they didn't know which ones could do the DDR, as it turns out there were only four there, so in reality they probably could have
got them all, but just didn't know). That isn't really thinkamancy power, that is just "an archon can't guide a dance-fight if it is dead or to magically affected to do it".
Also not sure about the messing with loyalty (well, Thinkamancy in general, Charlie and his Archons haven't been shown to do that yet, beyond Charlie working on natural allies) or breaking spells via a pep-talk. An Archon talked to Jillian and managed to push Jillian to break it herself, she didn't cast "dispel magic" on Jillian or anything.
The real problem is, this has happened over and over again. It is my single greatest criticism of the comic. Charlie and/or the Archons have always had the power needed at the time. And we don't even need to conceive of never-thought-possible five caster links to notice this happening.
Most characters, in most fiction, have what is needed at the time to advance the plot, otherwise it wouldn't advance. How well it is written makes it noticeable or not. I have no problem with how Charlie has been portrayed. The mystery of the teleporting (or not) archons is still intriguing, but otherwise nothing has turned out to be story breakingly impossible, especially considering the abilities of Charlie and his Archons were never fully revealed in book one.
Now we know exactly what Archons can have in their bags of tricks. We still have a lot to learn about Charlie.
All we had been told previously was that Charlie could extend some of his abilities to his personal Archons in his tower.
The archons parson questioned said they didn't know all the dish was capable of, true. Of course the implication is that the dish would still has further abilities yet to be revealed beyond just thinkagrams and sharing things with archons.
This is a nice enough ability, and may be the source of the "operator" who Maggie put Parson in touch with.
Nice enough, although we don't actually know what abilities Charlie actually has access to (beyond what we have been shown).
Sonic Screwdriver wrote:In all honesty, extending abilities onto the Archons is a completely new power and is more out-of-sync than a long-range link.
I imagine we'll see many a new power, mainly since we had little idea about what the dish could do before this book. Now we are learning. Considering the pliers have been shown to decrypt and that is it I imagine eventually we'll learn of a completely new power for them as well.
BLANDCorporatio wrote:Books 2 and 3 will tell a different story though, so we'll probably-hopefully not see extensions of Charlie's powers. I think we haven't such in this book yet, so there's no need to cry foul on the story; just on the occasional speculation that invests Charlescomm with too much ability.
I guess it will depend on how it is portrayed. Really we had little information on the full extent of Charlie and his dish's abilities. Or Archons for that matter. Or Casters (though we know more about them). In this book the abilities of Archons have been locked down (and gell with what they were shown to do in book one), and the curtain on Charlie and casters has been pulled back some.
But I agree, I don't think we've gotten anything like an unreasonable extension of Charlie's powers.
Yes, I said we haven't seen extensions of Charlie's powers in Book 2. I may have missed a few, but I mean specifically the long distance link. Oberon and Lord Kasavin would disagree, but in my opinion the links so far relied on a lot of stuff (messages? info?) being passed between caster minds, like computers in a network. Make 'em close enough, it's almost like they're the same computer. Even at a longer distance, if you make the medium fast and reliable enough, it's almost as if they're in the same room. So it's not that out of the blue that some sort of long-distance linking is possible. Maybe it has some limitations too, we haven't actually seen it in action.
MarbitChow wrote:These are things that are not possible.
Or were possible, but no one had the initiative/resources to try (which, indeed, from an Erf perspective could seem like GK had done something impossible, although Charlie worked out what was behind Parson's WMD fairly quickly). Trem made his own flyer relay, even though Oss, still thinking with a pre-Parson mindset, said it was a waste of resources.
theseus2x wrote:The scary thing is, Wanda may be the one who's experimented with her Arkentool the LEAST. And she's already completely unbalancing.
Although she is lucky (or fated) to be in such an unbalancing position. She got the pliers and there happened to be a massive awesome army just waiting for decryption. Without that initial force the pliers would probably be far harder to get to that position then a canny hammer user (as Stanley has become, thanks to Parson dwagon wise) or a canny dish user.
Although I guess to be fair Stanley also benefits from being located close to dwagon popping territory and Charlie for having a city that pops Archons (unless his dish just lets him pop them anywhere).
But true, she is just spamming her decryption ability, who knows what other wonderful things those pliers could do? Maybe if she hit a melon with them it would turn into a bat or something.
And so my time with the Tardy Elves draws to a close, and I am let to ponder how the experience will... eh, I'll finish later. No need to rush.