Book 2 – Page 24

[cloudbreaker]

Nice update. I really like how Duncan seems like such a real person despite staying in the background. Also, the map is neat. I was hoping it would show how far the bridge was from the city, but it doesn't. Although it does show how the river flows in the hexes.

Keep it up Rob and Xin!

[Angband]

If there's a chance the Healomancer could un-Croak a Decrypted unit (Ansom) like Healomancers can un-Croak regular Croaked units...

Do we know that Healomancers can un-Croak units at all? Never mind Croaked units that have been Uncroaked?

I am aware of no canon that says this, and the wiki page says nothing.

[BCCroaker]

In the last panel, it looks like the decrypted are arguing with twolls. Why would that be? Differences in loyalty?

They are arguing because the decrypted won't do latrine duty, on the grounds they don't boop.

[Konaa]

Regardless, it's pretty obvious Jillian is shooting for Ansom. Whether it works or not is a little irrelevant at the moment.

I get the feeling Jillian considers Tramennis a more tolerable Jetstone to deal with, what with his naturally goofy nature.

[OneHugeTuck]

I would not want to be a FAQ unit now. Or until the turn Jillian croaks. She's an incredibly incompetent queen, and a selfish one too.

I disagree. She just used Charlie and Jetstone, knew what she was doing all along. She's not incompetent. As djones520 said, "She's just not thinking the way the rest want her too."

Selfish? Well, so is every ruler, and every person. It's good to be the King, as they say.

[Valatros]

I would not want to be a FAQ unit now. Or until the turn Jillian croaks. She's an incredibly incompetent queen, and a selfish one too.

Man, I have the exact opposite feeling. I wouldn't want to be a crappy/nameless FAQ unit, but if I was valuable? Hell yes. That woman cares for nothing but what is hers, and then goes for it/defends it with a tenacity that excludes the importance of anyone and anything else. I'll admit I'd rather FAQ be stronger before joining her, but an incredibly experienced battle commander that will let her allies biggest enemy live if it means keeping/getting what she wants? I want to be on that side.

[BLANDCorporatio]

Ummm... thats why she isn't giving Jetstone the ability to kill Wanda. She is thinking with her head. She's just not thinking the way the rest want her too. They destroy GK's ground forces and capture their Chief Warlord, major blow to GK. Wanda is alive, forced to pull back, Jillian has her boy toy, Jetstone is safe for another day, she's making it the best for herself while being manageable for everyone else.

I think imgran's point there is that Jillian has NO reason to suspect that what she's about to do has any chance of success.

Given that, it really does not seem like a reasonable bargain to venture something that may be impossible (recovering Ansom) while also allowing a huge danger (Wanda) to stay loose.

Also, Jillian does not give a dried wat cwap about this being manageable to anyone else. Apparently she would have had no qualms about Wanda's campaign of conquest. If it so happens that the situation is manageable for everyone else (barely), meh. That's just how it happened.

So yes. Jillian is not the best Queen you may hope for. Even blindly following her own will is not enough sometimes either.

Man, I have the exact opposite feeling. I wouldn't want to be a crappy/nameless FAQ unit, but if I was valuable? Hell yes. That woman cares for nothing but what is hers, and then goes for it/defends it with a tenacity that excludes the importance of anyone and anything else. I'll admit I'd rather FAQ be stronger before joining her, but an incredibly experienced battle commander that will let her allies biggest enemy live if it means keeping/getting what she wants? I want to be on that side.

Burn the bridges, burn them to the ground ...

There is only one logical way for all this to end, and that is for Faq to be sacked and Jillian's head stuck on a pike.

[Neko]

Assuming you can resurrect a patch of dust. Without an artifact.

Apologies - let me clarify. The Healomancer can attempt to Resurrect an animate Decrypted unit, not one that has been Dusted. Dusted is pretty much game over for that unit. Some thoughts:

* My TFH theory is based on the assumption that Decrypted still are on some innate level Croaked
* A unit must first be Croaked to be used as components for Decrypted transformation
* From the Wiki RE: Clevermancy (PropCannon) - "It's raw magic dealing with raw magical forces."
* From the Wiki RE: Fate Magic (Spec) - "The Axis of Fate seems to focus on an active target's status."

Not a perfect theory, but a fun alternative.

[Ninjaguineapig]

I would not want to be a FAQ unit now. Or until the turn Jillian croaks. She's an incredibly incompetent queen, and a selfish one too.

I disagree. She just used Charlie and Jetstone, knew what she was doing all along. She's not incompetent. As djones520 said, "She's just not thinking the way the rest want her too."

Selfish? Well, so is every ruler, and every person. It's good to be the King, as they say.

She used Charlie? If she does something he doesn't like, he'll pull her funding. No more Vanna, no more insta-heir, and a huge burden for Don to pull. She's acting far too recklessly. She's also probably going to get every unit under her command croaked just getting close to Ansom.

[elmagnifico]

It's a nice update, but what is making that NORP sound, and what does it mean?

[Dances-with-Marbits]

It's a nice update, but what is making that NORP sound, and what does it mean?

Probably Jillian's megalogwiffs.

[Alexei P]

I reckon you could «restore» a Decrypted unit to normal with a Think+Turn+Heal link-up. If it takes anything less, I'll be disappointed. Too easy.

[gameboy1234]

Ummm... thats why she isn't giving Jetstone the ability to kill Wanda. She is thinking with her head. She's just not thinking the way the rest want her too. They destroy GK's ground forces and capture their Chief Warlord, major blow to GK. Wanda is alive, forced to pull back, Jillian has her boy toy, Jetstone is safe for another day, she's making it the best for herself while being manageable for everyone else.

I think imgran's point there is that Jillian has NO reason to suspect that what she's about to do has any chance of success.

Which doesn't matter to Jillian, because she loves Ansom, and will try anything to save him. Even if that hope is forlorn.

Love is a Battlefield, remember?

[Neko]

If there's a chance the Healomancer could un-Croak a Decrypted unit (Ansom) like Healomancers can un-Croak regular Croaked units...

Do we know that Healomancers can un-Croak units at all? Never mind Croaked units that have been Uncroaked?

I am aware of no canon that says this, and the wiki page says nothing.

No, we don't know this. This is a personal TFH theory based on text update 8: http://www.erfworld.com/2010/01/book-2- ... dates-008/

Sylvia Lazarus implies that she has been twice Croaked before ("This is Number Three" - she is currently on her 3rd life which will at some point end in her 3rd Croaking). Her 2nd "Return" is obviously her current life, which resulted from Decryption. Therefore, it stands to reason that there must have been some machanism for her 1st "Return" that put her in the living state we saw at the BfGK. I am speculating that it was Resurrection via Healomancy, but it is entirely possible that Resurrection was also enabled via either Carnymancy or Changemancy (Queen Bea's other Unaroyal casters).

[Glenn]

People who think Jillian is being stupid for refusing to kill Wanda seem to be overlooking the fact that both Jillian and Wanda want to become allies. They both have other concerns that have so far prevented them from joining forces, but would anyone here be vastly shocked if the two eventually ended up on the same side? In the long run, Wanda is likely to be a far more useful ally for Faq that Jetstone ever will. For now, at least, Jillian needs to maintain her alliances with Charlie and Don King. Since Don wants her to help Jetstone, she can't let Gobwin Knob conquer Jetstone. But I think it would be incredibly stupid and shortsighted for Jillian to kill Wanda or Ansom just to help Jetstone.

[nerf-dweller]

Assuming you can resurrect a patch of dust. Without an artifact.

But what if one had a certain Arkendish to help out that Healomancer?

[Dark Arbiter]

So the clever turn-talk that Jillian did...

Allied units all act on the same turn, so as long as Haggar remains allied with Jetstone, they'll all be on one turn. If they break alliance, they won't be allied, and Jetstone will be able to act before them, thus preventing a sneak attack.

...right?

[Welf von Ehrwald]

They are arguing because the decrypted won't do latrine duty, on the grounds they don't boop.

Maybe a link with a Healomancer and a Dirtamancer can then resurrect decrypted?

And I really like the art. I just realized Jillian now has a collarbone. In panel 11 one can see the fabric of standard in the background. And we see twolls again.

[BLANDCorporatio]

So the clever turn-talk that Jillian did...

Allied units all act on the same turn, so as long as Haggar remains allied with Jetstone, they'll all be on one turn. If they break alliance, they won't be allied, and Jetstone will be able to act before them, thus preventing a sneak attack.

...right?

That's how it looks like, yes.

{IRT Jillian does something without caring that the chances of success are slim.}
Which doesn't matter to Jillian, because she loves Ansom, and will try anything to save him. Even if that hope is forlorn.

Love is a Battlefield, remember?

Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

I don't disagree with your assessment of Jillian. I think it's entirely correct, and that's why she's not entirely that good a Queen.

I reckon you could «restore» a Decrypted unit to normal with a Think+Turn+Heal link-up. If it takes anything less, I'll be disappointed. Too easy.

Lol, but yeah, you have a definite point there. I wouldn't want to see characters being flipped from one side to another like light switches.

[DoctorJest]

In the last panel, it looks like the decrypted are arguing with twolls. Why would that be? Differences in loyalty?

Maybe, if it's an argument... but it doesn't look like one too me. It looks like a decrypted giving orders to a twoll, and Ansom talking to one of the other decrypted.