Book 2 – Page 26

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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby junovalkyrie » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:36 am

Davre wrote:What's with the green on the bridge in panels four and five?


Heh, I was just about to edit my post to ask the same thing. Looks like someone spilled a can of paint at the base or something.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby Zeku » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:58 am

Panels 11 and 12 might be slightly off, depending on what you're looking for, but 1 and 9 are great. I love the receding perspective lines, it reminds me of the geometric precision she likes to draw buildings with. And the expressions in 9 are awesome.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby randomstar » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:05 am

junovalkyrie wrote:
Davre wrote:What's with the green on the bridge in panels four and five?


Heh, I was just about to edit my post to ask the same thing. Looks like someone spilled a can of paint at the base or something.


Think it's the hex boundary, it's RCC turn, so Sammy and his soldiers are crossing to engage GK, while Jill and Trem stay on the border and look.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby pSycHOtic chICkeN » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:14 am

Knight13 wrote:Also, is that one soldier in panel 8 wielding nunchucks?


No. Nunchucks have a short chain. To be nunchucks it has to be short enough to swing in front of you without smacking yourself in the face. It is possible xin does not know kung fu (or kobudo?). To me it looks more like a garrote.

I am surprised no one mentioned that the haggar troops are marching into a pike block in a confined space. Not a good idea. There is also no place to fall back to while Jetstone advances. Leaving the archers and fliers behind is also very poor tactics. It would be far better for Jetstone/FAQ to win the battle with Haggar losing 1/2 its troops instead of wasting 1/2 of Haggar's troops and then fighting a bloody battle against a mostly intact army.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby TamLin » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:35 am

Perhaps it's just me, but when Sammy said "Ask Charlie" I thought that perhaps this meant even he didn't know what his objectives were. That certainly seems like an appropriately dick move for Charlie to pull; "You have a goal, but I won't let you know what it is, you just have to guess or hope that you achieve it accidentally before sustaining too many casualties. Have fun."

Has there been any sort of established rule about when/how often Wanda can decryptify units? If Sammy loses half his force, will those units just become new GK conscripts on their next turn?

Poor Tramennis. It must be hard trying to lead an army when you know even less about your allies' plans than your enemies'. He really is the most out of the loop character, I can imagine his thought process being quite a lot like the maelstrom of speculations here in the Reactions forum.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby ftl » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:41 am

TamLin wrote:Perhaps it's just me, but when Sammy said "Ask Charlie" I thought that perhaps this meant even he didn't know what his objectives were. That certainly seems like an appropriately dick move for Charlie to pull; "You have a goal, but I won't let you know what it is, you just have to guess or hope that you achieve it accidentally before sustaining too many casualties. Have fun."


I assumed it meant charlie put him under an NDA, and he can't say.

Or it might just be that he's laconic. He seems to give one-word answers to everything - can't blame him, he's got to be pretty pissed.

Has there been any sort of established rule about when/how often Wanda can decryptify units? If Sammy loses half his force, will those units just become new GK conscripts on their next turn?


I believe that bodies will disappear at the start of the next turn, so Wanda has one turn to get to them and decrypt them. So I think Wanda can do the decryption - IF she gets to that hex by her next turn. Also, if Jetstone wins the fight, they can probably dispose of the bodies somehow - burn them or dump in the river or something. Though that has not been explicitly talked about in the comic.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby TamLin » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:10 am

The math of a battle changes considerably if your own casualties reinforce your enemy. This is bad enough under any circumstances, but particularly so in the case of a suicide mission like Sammy's. If he loses half his force, then he has to make sure that he's inflicted twice the casualties on GK just to break even. The net gain from such an attack might end up being as small as the advantage of a few dozen units, dearly bought by the losses you've incurred. Makes the prospect of "Softening them up" nearly a Sisyphusian exercise.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby Aris Katsaris » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:25 am

"If he loses half his force, then he has to make sure that he's inflicted twice the casualties on GK just to break even. "


Wanda's not in the position he's attacking - her absence makes your whole argument moot.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby Firkraag » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:54 am

I love everyone's expressions :D

Also, finally, FIGHT!
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby Lawd » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:16 am

I like how the soldiers of Haggar all are so happy to charge to their deaths. Just running right into those spears.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby Lamech » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:13 am

ftl wrote:I assumed it meant charlie put him under an NDA, and he can't say.

Or it might just be that he's laconic. He seems to give one-word answers to everything - can't blame him, he's got to be pretty pissed.
Or Sammy is intentionally messing with the coalition in order to create confusion.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby Ditto » Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:30 am

You can be promoted to Chief Warlord off-turn - Tramennis was, while still covered in dwagon goo. 'Great, I'm a chief warlord and I can't scratch my own nose.', remember? There was some discussion over whether you could promote and heir off-turn. I'd think not, since that promotion requires transfer of shmuckers whereas naming a CWL is just a title.

THe green bits on the bridge were there in the first few pages, too. Probly just moss or river slime curling up the edge. The hex boundary is smack in the middle of the bridge, as we could see from when GK nabbed Ossomer - the arrows paused midair midway across.

It is GREAT news for Haggar to lose a bunch of troops in a senseless charge against set pikes if you're Jetstone & Faq. Combined, the RCC2 forces should be able to defeat Ansom's ground force stack. If someone takes heavy losses, it should be Haggar so that way they aren't tempted to take a swing at Spacerock when they finish.

Wanda can decrypt on GK's turn. Dead bodies disappear if they are left unattended for 1 turn after death, which happens at the beginning of the dead body's side's turn. If Ansom took the time to throw Prince Sammy's corpse on the back of his spidew and take it with him, then the corpse would not disappear.

They said it would be segments of about 25 pages. They thought TBfGK was going to be more like 50 when they started, but things grow sometimes & run away on you as an author. It's coming to a stopping point, but I think we have a few weeks left still.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby HandofShadows » Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:32 am

I don't agree with peoples complaints about the art. In fact I find Jillian yelling for Duncan in the last panel to be great. Reall captures her mood.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby yay » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:11 am

HandofShadows wrote:I don't agree with peoples complaints about the art. In fact I find Jillian yelling for Duncan in the last panel to be great. Reall captures her mood.


seconded, the last panel w/tramenis and Jillian's expression made me laugh
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby fjolnir » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:24 am

The green line on the ground is probably a painted in version of a hex border...
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby gazes_also » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:30 am

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gazes_also wrote:Jillian is fighting because she really, really, REALLY hates Stanley


Why? Is it because he took her kingdom and captured her lover? You think maybe getting her kingdom and lover back might lower her blood pressure a little?


Seriously?
He has destroyed everything she ever cared about. Nothing short of Stanley's head on a pike will satisfy her.
"Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

Charlie is fighting to re-establish the staus quo ante, and because he really, really hates Stanley, and he's not too keen of Wanda either.


That is and always has been the leading assumption, but I've never bought into that. Status quo would be resuming services as a mercenary contractor against a marketable opponent. The battlefield is ever-changing; he's not gonna switch his entire established game plan just because one side starts winning.


Charlie wants CONTROL, the system is currently out of control, the future stable dynamic equilibrium system will be different from the past dynamic equilibrium, but it will be back under control.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby Welf von Ehrwald » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:54 am

yay wrote:
HandofShadows wrote:I don't agree with peoples complaints about the art. In fact I find Jillian yelling for Duncan in the last panel to be great. Reall captures her mood.


seconded, the last panel w/tramenis and Jillian's expression made me laugh


thirded, I like it too :)


fjolnir wrote:The green line on the ground is probably a painted in version of a hex border...


I think that is simply moss. It also is at the pier of the bridge. (panel 10)
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby atalex » Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:07 pm

ftl wrote:We MAY be seeing a repetition of his flaws - he's too greedy, and gambles for the entire cake when he could just have half of it. At GK, he wanted to make off with lots of money, but he went too far - tried to play both sides against each other for money AND pliers AND Parson, and in the end got nothing.


In Charlie's defense, he would have gotten lots of money and the pliers and Parson except for the volcano trick, which appears to be a completely unprecedented feat of trimancer magic.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby atalex » Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:17 pm

He has destroyed everything she ever cared about. Nothing short of Stanley's head on a pike will satisfy her.
"Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."


This. I am reminded of Jack Knight's line from Starman #4 said as he killed the man who murdered the previous Starman: "I may not have liked my brother much. But I loved him." Jillian's ambivalence towards her father is an issue that has not been fully explored, but I believe it will be before her conflict with Stanley is finally resolved.
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Re: Book 2 – Page 26

Postby build6 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:26 pm

atalex wrote:In Charlie's defense ... the volcano trick, which appears to be a completely unprecedented feat of trimancer magic.


it seems to have broadened his mind to new possibilities, though - I mean, the linkup with Vanna was totally unexpected for GK. Charlie may not be as creative as Parson but he's certainly a fast learner
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