Book 2 – Page 27

[robak]

d) all of the above

[Alexei P]

As for Sammy's croaking, I'm having trouble getting a read on what exactly occurred. Yes, Ansom croaked Sammy. However, was Sammy croaked because a) Jillian distracted him, b) Ansom played dirty by ordering his men to attack after a duel was proposed, or c) Sammy was outmatched in terms of skill, leadership, units, etc.

Sammy croaked like you usually die in a battle: suddenly, illogically, amidst a blur of confused fighting. Trying to guess why is like speculating how the dice would have fallen if you had shaken them differently.

[Zeku]

I'm 90% sure Charlie doesn't know (or is successfully pretending to not know) that Jillian has some interest in Ansom. Jillian's refusal to attack the air forces, and the conversation with Charlie, only indicated to her that he knew about her relationship with Wanda.

Hence, she's not likely to take a tactical decision like killing Ansom personally. At any rate, she entered the battlespace for the specific reason of protecting Ansom, or at least killing him herself.

What's going to be interesting is whether her affection for him was caused by his noble ideals, and whether that affection will be partially or completely negated by his new, more practical, "Titanic" ideals.

[Jeivar]

I'm 90% sure Charlie doesn't know (or is successfully pretending to not know) that Jillian has some interest in Ansom.

Again, Charlie's understanding of Jillian's feelings for Ansom is what enabled him to recruit her.

[Ansan Gotti]

I'm 90% sure Charlie doesn't know (or is successfully pretending to not know) that Jillian has some interest in Ansom. Jillian's refusal to attack the air forces, and the conversation with Charlie, only indicated to her that he knew about her relationship with Wanda.

Hence, she's not likely to take a tactical decision like killing Ansom personally. At any rate, she entered the battlespace for the specific reason of protecting Ansom, or at least killing him herself.

What's going to be interesting is whether her affection for him was caused by his noble ideals, and whether that affection will be partially or completely negated by his new, more practical, "Titanic" ideals.

No, he definitely knows:

http://www.erfworld.com/2009/10/summer-updates-041/

[Reclaimer]

New theory: Ansom, as the highest-level character we know about, is an undead chainsaw. And his ex, the only person capable of beating him, is being all baby-crazy and won't fight him.

Why did we ever think he was in trouble?

Edit: Wouldn't it make more sense to let Haggar's now rather impotent forces occupy the space in the hex that the follow-up strike by Jetstone would've required? They can just lay back and defend until its their turn, then unleash Hurricane Ansom on Jetstone's Third Fiddle. If Wanda can regroup with them, she can raise Sammy, and the war's officially back on.

[SteveMB]

I'm 90% sure Charlie doesn't know (or is successfully pretending to not know) that Jillian has some interest in Ansom. Jillian's refusal to attack the air forces, and the conversation with Charlie, only indicated to her that he knew about her relationship with Wanda.

This point has already been covered; Charlie convinced Jillian to work with him by showing her Wanda and Ansom.

Hence, she's not likely to take a tactical decision like killing Ansom personally.

Er, we are talking about Jillian here, right...? Not taking something like this personally just seems utterly unlike her -- at best, she might be convinced that there's nothing she can do about it for now, but she isn't likely to just let it go.

[Welf von Ehrwald]

Was this made by a "demotivator" website? If so, can you provide a link?

I used that one: http://bighugelabs.com/motivator.php

As for Sammy's croaking, I'm having trouble getting a read on what exactly occurred. Yes, Ansom croaked Sammy. However, was Sammy croaked because a) Jillian distracted him, b) Ansom played dirty by ordering his men to attack after a duel was proposed, or c) Sammy was outmatched in terms of skill, leadership, units, etc.

As I see it, in narrative terms Sammy brought trough GKs lines, but with not enough man to protect his flanks. Because Jillian distracted him for a moment he didn't notice the pikers and was then wounded and immobilized. In game terms he lost he tried to counteract their better attack stats by cornering them, so they could only defend. When Jillian distracted him he lost his initative advantage and GKs better attack stats croaked him very fast.

By the way, that wasn't a duel. The "It#s man to man" line is just part of his rock-out. The lines of Erfworld-Sammy in the first 5 panels are song lyrics from the real existing Earthworld-Sammy Hagar.

[multilis]

Since we already have 4 love interests for Jill, why not make it 5?

Perhaps Charlie has fallen in love with Queen Looney, and wanted to get rid of chief rival Ansom!

[Zeku]

I don't mean to be obtuse here, but...Charlie could still be "successfully" ignorant of Jillian's feelings. If you read that text update fairly carefully, you realize that Charlie is aware that Jillian lost something, but it is never mentioned what that is, aside from Jillian's internal monologue.

Now couple that with the fact that Gobwin Knob was completely annihilated by a volcano, and you realize that Charlie might have believed that Jillian was under the impression that absolutely everyone in Gobwin Knob was killed, including the person that Charlie believes she is interested in, which would be Wanda, and only Wanda. This fits fairly closely with Charlie's statement that Jillian didn't lose what she thinks she did. The only hint that he might have been aware of some additional connection to Ansom was the followup phrase: "Not completely."

[Ansan Gotti]

I don't mean to be obtuse here, but...Charlie could still be "successfully" ignorant of Jillian's feelings. If you read that text update fairly carefully, you realize that Charlie is aware that Jillian lost something, but it is never mentioned what that is, aside from Jillian's internal monologue.

Now couple that with the fact that Gobwin Knob was completely annihilated by a volcano, and you realize that Charlie might have believed that Jillian was under the impression that absolutely everyone in Gobwin Knob was killed, including the person that Charlie believes she is interested in, which would be Wanda, and only Wanda. This fits fairly closely with Charlie's statement that Jillian didn't lose what she thinks she did. The only hint that he might have been aware of some additional connection to Ansom was the followup phrase: "Not completely."

He knows. Remember in Book One, he had three archons monitoring most of that fight from the RCC side, including one who sent a direct "love-a-gram" from Jillian to Ansom.

He knows.

[Neko]

As I see it, in narrative terms Sammy brought trough GKs lines, but with not enough man to protect his flanks. Because Jillian distracted him for a moment he didn't notice the pikers and was then wounded and immobilized. In game terms he lost he tried to counteract their better attack stats by cornering them, so they could only defend. When Jillian distracted him he lost his initative advantage and GKs better attack stats croaked him very fast.

I don't know how much Jillian distracted him. Even if 100% focused, being moshed on by high-level pikers in a the Chief Warlord's Personal Stack is pretty rough. It looks like Sammy's purpose was to blaze the trail so Jillian has a realistic chance of achieving...whatever it is her chaotic self plans to do. It does look from the panels that the Haggar forces were able to take out all the twoll heavies in Ansom's stack.

From http://www.erfworld.com/2010/03/book-2- ... dates-019/
"He organized a stack of heavies and high-level pikers for himself [Ansom], and mounted the only Spidew."

[Zeku]

Ok, and again, I fully understand that, and I agree with it. Everything you guys have said has been informative.

But, the thing is, what Charlie knows isn't what matters. What matters is what Jillian thinks Charlie knows, and what Charlie is pretending to know. Jillian is pretty simple, she isn't likely to stop and think "Hey, Charlie sent one of my thinkagrams, and I bet he listened in on that."

All I'm saying, is that there's a chance she isn't interpreting Charlie's actions as an explicit, obvious, double-cross.

[Ansan Gotti]

Ok, and again, I fully understand that, and I agree with it. Everything you guys have said has been informative.

But, the thing is, what Charlie knows isn't what matters. What matters is what Jillian thinks Charlie knows, and what Charlie is pretending to know. Jillian is pretty simple, she isn't likely to stop and think "Hey, Charlie sent one of my thinkagrams, and I bet he listened in on that."

All I'm saying, is that there's a chance she isn't interpreting Charlie's actions as an explicit, obvious, double-cross.

I agree, there is a chance, but it seems unlikely to me. When presented with the reality that someone tried to kill someone you love, most people would not react as bastions of calm rationality.

Especially Jillian.

[screwtape]

Merciful god, the art sucks. Please, someone, make it stop.


(the writing is still top notch.)

[Kozbot]

Maybe it wasn't Jillian's distraction that got Sammy croaked, but to me it really looks like it does. I've been of the "I hope Jillian gets croaked" camp and now this only solidifies it for me. Of course I'm letting my bias of my huge love for the real world Sammy Hagar cloud my reasoning but I would have loved to have seen Sammy Haggar become a major player, at least he rocked so hard he kicked a spidew right in the face.

[Alexei P]

Merciful god, the art sucks. Please, someone, make it stop.


(the writing is still top notch.)

I did find today's page to be a bit difficult to understand. Part of the problem, I think, is too many conflicting colors and lack of contrast between foreground and background. Makes it hard to understand what's going on.

[Rosa Vernal]

Merciful god, the art sucks. Please, someone, make it stop.


(the writing is still top notch.)

I did find today's page to be a bit difficult to understand. Part of the problem, I think, is too many conflicting colors and lack of contrast between foreground and background. Makes it hard to understand what's going on.

Wait... what? *blinkblink* Perhaps it's because I'm wearing my contacts, but I could totally read and understand all of it, artistically speaking, even in the morning.

Not saying you're wrong, I just don't understand what you're trying to say.

[Ansan Gotti]

Merciful god, the art sucks. Please, someone, make it stop.

(the writing is still top notch.)

Wow, I could not disagree more strongly. I thought the art on this page was particularly great.

[Alexei P]

Merciful god, the art sucks. Please, someone, make it stop.


(the writing is still top notch.)

I did find today's page to be a bit difficult to understand. Part of the problem, I think, is too many conflicting colors and lack of contrast between foreground and background. Makes it hard to understand what's going on.

Wait... what? *blinkblink* Perhaps it's because I'm wearing my contacts, but I could totally read and understand all of it, artistically speaking, even in the morning.

Not saying you're wrong, I just don't understand what you're trying to say.

Just that I had to re-read today's page once or twice before I felt I understood what was going on. The "Sammy getting pierced by pikers" panel especially gave me trouble. Confused the protruding spearheads with armor ornament of some sort.