splintermute wrote:GK can't kill the attackers at a faster rate, or at any rate (unless the corpses manage to fall to the ground) - the whole point of their situation is that they're sitting ducks without any ability to retaliate [...]
Um, no. We've never seen off-turn units just have to absorb attacks without being able to fight back. Quite the contrary, we just saw Ansom's pikers stab Sammy to death while it was Sammy's turn. If attacked Wanda's units can fight back. What they can't do off-turn is initiate the combat. I think. This is a little fuzzy as well, since the uncroaked warlords on the wounded dwagons were ordered not to initiate combat against Jilian and the Archons, off-turn
. Why order them not to attack if they can not? But regardless, attacked units have always fought back. Well, except in the case of Jillian against the tower defenses and Wanda. But the Spacerock tower defenses are probably not enough to kill Wanda's stack alone, or there would be no need to even mention the archers, casters, and few flying units and warlords present.
Jillian had megalogwiffs and other air units. If they enter Wanda's hex, it makes sense that they can engage in direct combat. Jetstone can attack Wanda's group with archers from outside the hex. Unless Wanda's group can leave their hex when it's not their turn, they cannot kill Jetstone units at all, so there is no kill rate to increase. Note that they are attacking from another hex from Wanda's perspective. When defending, the defenders treat the entire city, including the airspace, as one hex. From Jetstone's persective, Wanda is in the same hex, so they can attack.
Oberon wrote:How about "nope"? The veiled attack on Ossomer wasn't "useless" just because the defenders knew there was a veil. It took a whole hex full of archers and a Dittomancer to disrupt it. And the veil on Stanley and Jack and their dwagon certainly wasn't useless just because the defenders figured out that one had been cast, and were watching Jack right as it was cast. Instead, it got Stanley and Jack out of the hex and to safety.
Care to try again? Because it is quite clear that a veil is not at all useless even if you are seen casting it. Or Jack wouldn't even suggest that he veil Wanda, in full view of Spacerock's forces, even. It's a ridiculous assertion.
In the attack on Ossomer, the flash covered the displacement, so they had enough time to get Osomer and then escape. By the time they hit Jack, the damage had already been done and most of the units with Ossomer have been hit by shockomancy.
Yeah, the veil Jack used on Stanley was very useful. He entered the hex with two dozen dwagons and left with half a dozen. Keep in mind that Stanley was moving on his own turn, so he had the option of leaving the hex, which he did. If a veil had been used on the injured dwagons during Ansom's turn, then it would have been even more useful. Ansom's units would see the veil being cast, but they will also know that units cannot leave the hex when it's not there turn, so they can hunt them down at their leisure. The veil would have accompish the highly useful goal of sacrificing a foolamancer with the dwagons.
Atomic wrote:More so than those, this brings one of the larger debates to mind... Who are Decrypted Dwagons loyal to, Wanda or Stanley?
Don't we already have the answer? I think the answer is the same as "who are the archons more loyal to? Wanda or Charlie?"
I believe that one resource that hasn't been considered by Wanda's group is Wanda's spellcasting abilities. She tod Sizemore that she can competently cast spells in other disciplines, but she is only interested in Croakamancy. Given the Arkenpliers have no limit to the amount of units it can decrypt, it seems likely that Wanda does not have to use her own juice. Does this mean she can cast something that will improve their chances of survival? She might not like casting spells from other disciplines, but it seems like whe would like getting croaked even less.