BLANDCorporatio wrote:Cool, but how do you know this- that Tremmennis would croak Jillian in a second? Or that either of Don or Charlie would? All we have so far as actual evidence in the text is these characters' support/approval for/of Jillian.
Well I guess Trem is still a Jetstone unit and bound to Slately's orders. I'm doubt this one encounter with her would be sufficient to make him betray Jetstone if push came to stab. He might still feel sad about it though.
I would be shocked (SHOCKED!) and surprised if Charlie didn't kill (or try to kill) Jillian the moment it served his interests or if she got in the way. I mean this is Charlie we are talking about. Has anything occurred in his communications with Jillian so far that suggest he would be willing to put her ahead of his life/objectives/etc? Don though... maybe, he has already shown he is willing to alienate important subjects for whatever he wants to achieve with Jillian. Hopefully it is for a good reason.
Duncan has in fact expressed feelings about Jillian that are beyond mere Duty compulsion in the Text logs. Maggie has Duty to Stanley but I doubt she regards him the same way Duncan sees Jillian.
Well Stanley is... Stanley. In the short time Duncan has known Jillian he was subject to an impressive capture, a magic enhanced turn, and riding with her, a competent, fellow warrior and leader in largely successful actions.
So everyone knows Jillian, because she gets around enough and is high-placed enough. Fair. But why do so many like her? And this multitude btw includes Charlie and Don, they like her enough to trust her with popping an heir (Don) and free-of-charge support (Charlie, in a boldly different move from his/her/its/their MO).
Eh, it seems a bit Belkar-ish, that if a character isn't cursing Jillian's name (where we can see it) they must like her. I mean I can easily imagine alliances of necessity/convenience without one side having to "like" the other. Or civil acquaintances etc. All it requires is both sides see it would be better if they work together.
In the case of Charlie Jillian has just said he wants to crush GK - that seems to justify why he would supply Jillian with such resources, not because he said "well I like you, so here, have a caster and some natural allies". And of course it is worth pointing out Charlie only came to Jillian after she was queen and a member of the RCCII and the RCCII stopped taking his calls, so there isn't really a "why Jillian?" with him - she was his best option. It is a fair question with Don though, but until we know the answer I'm not bothered by it.
Heh, maybe we'll find out Don is actually completely crazy. Sure, in the beginning it was just about creating a proxy kingdom, but then after Bea died he suddenly noticed Jillian bore an uncanny resemblance to her...
I. The Erfworld Fans of Jillian Club:
9-6173901633. Everybody else
I don't think we have enough evidence for Vanna (other then she isn't actively disliking Jillian), Duncan I think is more complex and I don't think we have sufficient evidence for Charlie either.
I. The Erfworld NotFan Club of Jillian
And some more minor characters.
Indeed, is there love in Erfworld that doesn't involve Jillian? Maggie and Sizemore have a good "rapport." Unaroyal's queen seems keen on Don. Vurp "trusts" Parson. Maggie might have a crush on Parson... but I can't think of any romantic love connections that don't connect to Jillian.
Caesar and Bunny seem to have something special, and Archons and decrypted feel love for their creators (how much stock you put in that varies). Webinar and Dora also looked to be close. Plus the other sorts of love (beyond the romantic kind) - even without the whole giving birth aspect it appears "parents" can feel love for their "kids" in Erfworld. Bea loved Cruz etc.
Ansan Gotti wrote:We know this for a fact, although both for in-game mechanics reasons. Duncan is slavishly loyal at least partially because he has been mindraped to be so. Maggie is less loyal to Stanley at least partially because he demoted a popular Chief Warlord.
Plus everything he did before that. I can only assume leaving you to die would have to effect loyalty some.
Lamech wrote:Don is going to be ticked. Big-time. Of course, he won't want to admit that Ceaser was 100% correct. His reaction will be very interesting.
I suspect it will involve him steepling his fingers, nodding sagely and saying something like "good, it is all going according to plan", even if he happens to be thinking "Booping... boopity... booping... boop"
ftl wrote:I hope not, that would be silly. Trem isn't an idiot, he shouldn't be putting himself in a position to lose a caster in a routine mop-up operation. He knows the composition of the enemy forces both in the city and in front of the bridge, he's probably a better Warlord than Ford. He should know better than to attack there if there's a chance he'll lose something that valuable. As I said, I think the worst that happens is that he loses some archery and perhaps one Warlord.
Kozbot wrote:Really I'd like Jillian a lot more as a character if some likable character said "I don't like you, I think you're a self absorbed idiot and I shall be waiting for your selfishness or stupidity to screw me over". It doesn't have to become the major viewpoint of her but having just one likable named character tell Jillian that she sucks would do a lot to make her a more well rounded character.
I already like Jillian, but it is never a bad idea to stop a character getting to big for their boots (unless that is how it is meant to be), so not a bad point, although timing is important for such things, otherwise it looks forced. I guess this page would have be a chance for Trem to say it, but he doesn't really know Jillian or her track record and could only have chided her for leaving like that. Charlie could I guess, but that isn't his style. Ansom well could, I look forward to seeing some turner/turnee conversations.
The person I could best see something like that coming from and have the right impact would be Vinnie. He knows about loyalty and duty (the concepts, not the stats) - he could question Jillian risking so much for Ansom and leaving the battle like that.
And so my time with the Tardy Elves draws to a close, and I am let to ponder how the experience will... eh, I'll finish later. No need to rush.