Hiai wrote:Because [Charlie] was unable to [use Kingworld previously]. Charlie has no turnamancers. He hired one, later on, AFTER Wanda came into the 'pliers and went on a rampage and killed Vanna's ruler, thus making her available for hire, then had to get her transported via Jillian to the spot she needed to be, all in secret while maintaining a link. Not exactly a spell one can pull out of one's ass, no?
No. Please do not try to link Bea sending her Turnamancer into the MK before suiciding with Charlie being able to hire a Turnamancer. We have it straight from the decrypted Archons that Charlie is known to be a good employer within the MK, and often
hires Turnamancers from the MK. So there is zero linkage other than the conservation of characters between Vanna and Charlie having a Thinkamancer on hire. Giving it some thought, as we should, Charlie should have a standing practice of parking a Thinkamancer with any significant force of his Archons. With "significant" being defined as any amount higher than that number he is willing to lose. After all, if he flubs a situation read and ends up on the losing side, far better to have spend some schmuckers on a Turnamancer's fee than to lose 80+ Archons. No?
So there isn't a lot of sense being made here. If we consider that Charlie is a smart guy, and also consider the capabilities that Kingworld provides to him in addition to all of his other well established powers, and then do a tiny bit of logical thinking, this becomes quite clear. Kingworld would and should be Charlie's "out" for any situation involving a decent amount of Archons that went sour on him. And he been shown to be easily smart enough to plan ahead for just such contingencies. I mean, seriously. Your turn is over. One of the other Sides locally is about to wipe out your hovering Archons by uncroaking a volcano. So you END THEIR TURN
, and shut down that TPK you were about to suffer. Yeah, it cost you something, the exact amount which we do not know, for the Turnamancer. But compare: You are prepared to spend the shmuckers for a Turnamancer to turn a "one each turn" into a 3 per two turns. In other words, a 50% production increase. If it is cost effective to pay for a 50% production increase, then it is very worthwhile to pay for a survival guarantee for any significant amount of Archons.
The question we need to ask ourselves is, why didn't Charlie cover himself like this? He is either a smart guy who is able to challenge Parson on the mental field of battle, or he isn't. And if he isn't, if he overlooks his demonstrated powers when it becomes inconvenient for the plot, then that trope has a few choice terms associated with it: WallBanger
Hiai wrote:Despite what you and Bland and a few others have been saying, it cost ALOT for Charlie to get Kingworld done. He had to ally with Jillian, he had to hire a Turnamancer (it's obvious there's not alot of them floating around without a ruler in the Magic Kingdom, or there'd be a whole lot more sides using them), he had to transport said Turnamancer all the way to where she was to be deployed while staying linked. And we have it from the Archon's point of view that while he was linked, there was a complete blackout.
Let's take these one at a time:He had to ally with Jillian.
You are seriously suggesting that allying with the Queen of a Side is a COST? Bwahahahaha! This is exactly what Charlie wanted
. It gave him access to the RCC where he lacked it before. Putting up with a chaotic partner was cheap compared to the advantage it gave him. Please note that Tramminis has been arguing with his King that Charlie is the one who saved them from certain doom! The exact sort of opening Charlie needed. The "cost"? Trivial in comparison, at twice the price.He had to hire a Turnamancer
Something he is reported to do frequently. If I buy dinner out frequently, which costs money, does this make yet another dinner out an extraordinary cost that I am hesitant to accept? Your position simply does not make any sense.(it's obvious there's not alot of them floating around without a ruler in the Magic Kingdom, or there'd be a whole lot more sides using them)
Obvious, eh? You are forgetting that "[Charlie] would frequently
(my italics) hire casters from the Magic Kingdom for specific work. He had an excellent reputation as an employer there." There is further discussion of the Archon production advantages of hiring a Turnamancer. No mention of a shortage of a Turnamancer any time Charlie might want one. You are speculating, and you have zip to base your speculation on.[...] while he was linked, there was a complete blackout [of his otherwise outrageously powerful instant communications ability with every single member of his Archon fleet.]
Again, trivial. Trivial compared to what he gained. He lost some small amount of opportunity to instantly communicate with his Archons. Which merely places him in the same position as every other Side on Erf
. I suppose you could call the very temporary (one turn, or less) suspension of a HUGE advantage to be a "cost", but I do not.
Ansan Gotti wrote:Since we seem to be rehashing old ground, here is an old exchange between us that I believe illustrates the issue very clearly. The below is from the Book 2, Page 4 (yes, THAT long ago) Reactions thread.
Jesus H Christ on a crutch! Did you really re-open a ~6 month old discussion just to troll me? Old troll is still a troll.