Book 2 – Page 43

[Ninjaguineapig]

I find it hilarious that Trem thinks that Jetstone can force GK to give up and go home.

[ftl]

I find it hilarious that Trem thinks that Jetstone can force GK to give up and go home.

Why is this hilarious? This is what *everyone* who doesn't know Parson thinks. Remember what Duncan said? If they lose this battle, then they deserve to, because they have every advantage they can imagine.

Charlie knows better because he either knows Parson or tapped a thinkagram, Wanda (and the rest) know better because they were at the uncroaking, but Tram is really not acting out of the ordinary when he's assuming that they can wipe out the dwagon force if they so choose.

[Ansan Gotti]

I find it hilarious that Trem thinks that Jetstone can force GK to give up and go home.

Why is this hilarious? This is what *everyone* who doesn't know Parson thinks. Remember what Duncan said? If they lose this battle, then they deserve to, because they have every advantage they can imagine.

Charlie knows better because he either knows Parson or tapped a thinkagram, Wanda (and the rest) know better because they were at the uncroaking, but Tram is really not acting out of the ordinary when he's assuming that they can wipe out the dwagon force if they so choose.

Well, the only problem with that is that Jetstone in particular already has first-hand knowledge that GK is capable of turning insane odds against it into victory. Fool me once, and all that.

[Ninjaguineapig]

It's hilarious from my point of few (looking in from outside). The irony (is that the right word? I'm not a native English speaker) is just staggering.

[Urf]

While the sides in the Coalition are aware that GK can turn the tables, I'm of the opinion and belief that they only see what happened with a very limited worldview. They probably think the garrison was booby-trapped, and won only by eliminating the opposition. Which is true, but they can't fathom the strategy.

Similarly, no one in the current Coalition can fathom what can be done off-turn or at the expense of highly prized units. They only see the way the game can be played, and no one comprehends breaking or bending the rules of how Erfworld is played/lived.

Willingly forcing a fall and a Decrypt-buffed Trioxin spell is a million miles away from anyone in the Coalition's imaginations.

[effataigus]

Hmm, can a thinkagram be initiated by someone who doesn't have Charlescomm's blessing or a thinkamancer of their own?

Putting aside that Parson is about to walk into Spacerock for the moment, would Tram have to get Wanda's stack's attention to convince her to open a channel and start the conversation between them? Cause, if so, we have good cause to believe that Wanda isn't going to let him say very much at all.

[Urf]

I'd say that's exactly the plot.

Trem flies up to parley to Wanda, and she flies down halfway with Ossomer, Sylvia and Jack to meet him. Trem suggests surrender, destruction, or a conditional truce. Ossomer refuses them. Trem notices a slight CW-in-the-hex buff on Wanda, who looks up to the GK stack, and they begin to fall. And then Ossomer falls, and then Sylvia, then Jack and finally Wanda.

And then he gets a thinkagram from CW Parson.

Trem stays aloft and watches as GK destroys Spacerock off-turn and he is fascinated. So he falls too.

[Squall83]

Whoa, the tension is sooo high! I've never seen an online comic with a quality this good and you're keeping it up through so many strips!

I'm amazed at your talents to tell stories and to draw beautiful pictures. The art is way beyond the commercial comics I know.

[Crarites]

When the battle begins to turn against Jetstone, why wouldn't they just retreat? Its their turn so they should be able to escape the city. I can see Slately for reasons of pride refusing to beleive the city is lost and not retreating but Trem strikes me as someone willing to live to fight another day.

[ftl]

They can retreat - if Slately gets out or has time to name an heir before he croaks, Jetstone (the side) can survive.

Some people around here believe there's even been foreshadowing that this will happen, since on of the text updates talked about how Jetstone actually has *two* capital sites - Spacerock is a capital site they captured a long time back, and they actually have a second one to fall back to.

[CorrTerek]

When the battle begins to turn against Jetstone, why wouldn't they just retreat? Its their turn so they should be able to escape the city. I can see Slately for reasons of pride refusing to beleive the city is lost and not retreating but Trem strikes me as someone willing to live to fight another day.

I'm guessing it's a money issue. We already know Jetstone's running dangerously low on funds. If they abandon Spacerock, it could be they're abandoning the only thing that is keeping them afloat, financially.

Besides, are we really sure they could get far enough away before their turn ended to escape GK?

[zilfallon]

Even if they somehow manage to maintain their empire, Jetstone is screwed if they lose this battle. most of their casters, warlords and forces are there. it would be meaningless to survive if that city fell to GK, which is going to happen for sure , i think.

[davesnothere]

I like urf's thinking....
It occured to me reading someone else's comment, that a more likely way that Parson could show up in Jetstone (rather than speculation about using the MK portals) would be if Jack or Wanda have taken a scroll of summoning to be used in such emergencies. I realize it's not as "clever" as some other creations, but it doesn't violate any rules.

I don't know if anyone picked up on in the text update, that GK forces were floating by the windows of the room Cubbins and Ace were in. If they were on the ground floor, that would mean they are sometimes near the ground.

D.

[teratorn]

Even if they somehow manage to maintain their empire, Jetstone is screwed if they lose this battle. most of their casters, warlords and forces are there. it would be meaningless to survive if that city fell to GK, which is going to happen for sure , i think.

They have nine unipegataurs. A few of the fliers may have move to take units to Faq. Jillian, decrypted Ansom, Vinny and Trammenis.

[zilfallon]

Even if they somehow manage to maintain their empire, Jetstone is screwed if they lose this battle. most of their casters, warlords and forces are there. it would be meaningless to survive if that city fell to GK, which is going to happen for sure , i think.

They have nine unipegataurs. A few of the fliers may have move to take units to Faq. Jillian, decrypted Ansom, Vinny and Trammenis.

What i'm talking about is, they can't win in long term, even if they do what you said, it won't really matter after they lose most of their military power.

[asweethero]

When the battle begins to turn against Jetstone, why wouldn't they just retreat? Its their turn so they should be able to escape the city. I can see Slately for reasons of pride refusing to beleive the city is lost and not retreating but Trem strikes me as someone willing to live to fight another day.

their are some flaws here First. i know of no mounted units that jetstone has that is faster than dwagons but lets say they have some. they MIGHT be able to move the king and tram far enough away to save jetsone (the side) but they have allready indicated that the vast majority of their forces are in and around spacerock and they would not have near enough mounts to get all their casters and warlords let alone troops to safty PLUS they are near broke. if they lose this battle even if GK dosent get checkmate. their are plenty of other sides that would prey on jetstones weaknesses GK wouldent even NEED to finnish them off. but im sure they would just for the decrypted.

Which is another interesting theory. (dons tin hat) even if parson cant convince tram that he can win maybe he can convince him that attacking his forces would weaken and hurt jetstone so much that trying to do it that the vultuers would finnish jetstone off and a more favorable negotiations can take place. becuase we KNOW the arkenpliers will have to be pryed from some cold dead fingers to get them back.

[teratorn]

What i'm talking about is, they can't win in long term, even if they do what you said, it won't really matter after they lose most of their military power.

But they can survive and join Faq.

[CorrTerek]

But they can survive and join Faq.

Isn't Faq closer to GK than Jetstone is? And doesn't GK have several people who know where Faq is?

Joining Faq doesn't seem like the best idea. Charlie already pretty much cut her off, which means her only means of support is through TV right now. Faq is weak without its backers, and really probably much worse off than Jetstone right now.

[Alexei P]

What i'm talking about is, they can't win in long term, even if they do what you said, it won't really matter after they lose most of their military power.

But they can survive and join Faq.

...who is even shorter on upkeep cash than they are at the moment.

Arkentools or no arkentools, it's all about schmucker supply. Whoever has the most moneys to spend wins the game.

That means basically that no matter what the Coalition does at this point, GK is still poised to beat them in the long term. Really, Tramennis is right in his assessment - a truce with GK is the only option that could allow them (all of them, including Faq) to survive.

[Lamech]

But they can survive and join Faq.

Right. Except they are also in a financial hole, and they don't have the forces to fend off GK. And the only ways that they could get out of GK are through the tunnels (Sizemore, spidew and hobbo's says hi!) and through the air (Dwagons say hi!)

They'll live another day but GK or Haggar will gobble up all of Jetstone's cities, and then FAQ will have a big red bullseye painted on it.

Joining Faq doesn't seem like the best idea. Charlie already pretty much cut her off, which means her only means of support is through TV right now. Faq is weak without its backers, and really probably much worse off than Jetstone right now.

Umm... TV isn't a means of support. They are collasping. Have been ever since the battle for GK. They are yet another side that need to be rescued.