oslecamo2 wrote:On the other hand, all american governments celebrate having stomped the local populations and taken their lands, so you do have a point.
Hmmm I seem to be missing all the parties that "all american governments" are throwing for "Stomp the Natives Day". They (I have no idea how many governments that translates to) must be pretty lousy. Maybe the media isn't covering them as it should?
Seriously, though, for as many tribes of hundreds that were wiped out by government troops or "settler" actions, there were a vast many more that died before ever "the white man" came into contact with them, due to the spread of European diseases from tribe to tribe. The Europeans had built up an immunity to many diseases, such as measles, that decimated the natives that spread it from their own tribe, which HAD contact with white settlers, to others that had not.
This leaves out the rumored "smallpox blankets" that supposedly were handed out by the military (there has only been one confirmed person doing that, and he was a private trader, not military) which would have been much later on in time, when there was a large push westward of Kentucky.
These images from "Western" movies, of the "cowboys vs. the indians" are merely the romanticized version told by Hollywood, based on the already wildly exaggerated pulp fiction pamphlets published in the eastern seaboard states during the day, targetted toward the city folk who knew nothing about real western life. Truth is, by the time of the California gold rush, wherein the largest westward expansion burst outward, the native population was already a small fraction of what it had been when the first Pilgrims landed, and certainly not from any concerted action by the U.S. government. Perhaps that's why it seemed so easy to marginalize and mistreat the few that were left. If the native population had proved resistance to European diseases, then the United States would have a far, far different face today, if it actually existed. Maybe it wouldn't have such a shameful stain on its national conscience, either.
In any case, comparing Parson to Christopher Columbus is erroneous and false no matter HOW you look at it. As is comparing Stanley to the U.S. government, although some seem to think it's a sly way of saying the U.S. is an "evil empire" (why bother, really? Most people just come out and say it if they believe it). Stanley didn't become aToolist, really, until Wanda influenced him. He was running around doing what his Royal boss Saline IV wanted, being such a kickass CWL that he was made Heir. The "wiping them out if they don't join us" idea was ALL Wanda, and that because she's a fanatic for Fate magic.
Truth is, if Jetstone and their allies hadn't been so adamantly mad that Stanley wasn't royal, things might never have come to this. Probably they would have, since Jetstone had the 'pliers and Wanda so easily manipulates Stanely, but it still needn't have gotten any further than the Erfworld usual standard of one side against another, if Jetstone hadn't kept upping the ante. Not to say that GK are innocents by any means, but to point out that there are really no "innocent natives" in this situation, so comparing any Erf situation to modern Earth geopolitical entities is a cop-out and not at all revealing or accurate.