An Erfworld Matrix Campaign

[WaterMonkey314]

-waits for BLAND's response...-

Who wins if both succeed?

[LTDave]

Ok, so we have two players attempting to capture capitals this turn. Only one of them could succeed, as the seoncd is a "No, actually" to the first. So they might both fail, or one of them will work.

Argumetn time is extended by 24 hours, and folks can change their already posted arguments if they wish.

(Sorry for not removing the sacking of Arcadia from the record - my error. Sorry for changing a result after the fact - it just felt wrong to let it stand).

[WaterMonkey314]

Very well, then - Escotia will retract its argument and present a new one:

The Lord Protector deploys Escotian forces as peacekeepers to stop both Risun and Andwoidian forces:
1) Escotia has an INVINCIBLE NAVY that will intercept the Arkadian fleet ferrying Risun forces to Andwoidia.
2) Escotia has a DISCIPLINED ARMY with ANTI-PERSONNEL MINES that will cripple Andwoidian siege.
3) Escotia has BRILLIANT CASTERS who can provide support to the various missions (e.g. breaking veils, doubling attacks, etc.)

[BLANDCorporatio]

-waits for BLAND's response...-

Who wins if both succeed?

Oh, ok, but may I post my reply in roughly 12h (as in, tomorrow)? I just posted a big-boop thing over in another thread I just made (which I'd urge y'all to check out ) and am a bit drained of time and energy right now to think of a counter argument.

But I most definitely post one soon.

Merry Christmas, if you celebrate(d) it, Marry/Happy Anything you do celebrate these days if indeed anything.

[WaterMonkey314]

-waits for BLAND's response...-

Who wins if both succeed?

Oh, ok, but may I post my reply in roughly 12h (as in, tomorrow)? I just posted a big-boop thing over in another thread I just made (which I'd urge y'all to check out ) and am a bit drained of time and energy right now to think of a counter argument.

But I most definitely post one soon.

Merry Christmas, if you celebrate(d) it, Marry/Happy Anything you do celebrate these days if indeed anything.

In blatant self-interest, I move that BLAND not be allowed to recover before posting an argument.

[zilfallon]

Capital attacks? And Escotia retracted its argument. Then the Sovereign will do so too.

Very well, then - Escotia will retract its argument and present a new one:

The Lord Protector deploys Escotian forces as peacekeepers to stop both Risun and Andwoidian forces:
1) Escotia has an INVINCIBLE NAVY that will intercept the Arkadian fleet ferrying Risun forces to Andwoidia.
2) Escotia has a DISCIPLINED ARMY with ANTI-PERSONNEL MINES that will cripple Andwoidian siege.
3) Escotia has BRILLIANT CASTERS who can provide support to the various missions (e.g. breaking veils, doubling attacks, etc.)

Yes, and Gerardion helps Escotian forces to stop the invading forces.

1)Gerardion possesses a STRONG GROUND-FORCE.
2)Gerardion has an UNCROAKED ARMY led by a POWERFUL CROAKAMANCER.
3)Gerardion has a POWERFUL LOOKAMANCER.

[Nihila]

Drat! Peacekeeping forces!? Two armies of peacekeepers!? Hippiemacer UN!

(Congrats on a decent counter to both our arguments, WaterMonkey and zil)

[Shusagi]

It's a solid counter, so here's hoping that trying to counter BOTH our arguments with a single argument will weaken it a bit. But even with that, after the "yes, and" it looks like it's still a toss-up.


And by "toss-up" I mean "My money's on Risun". We'll see what happens.

[zilfallon]

Drat! Peacekeeping forces!? Two armies of peacekeepers!? Hippiemacer UN!

(Congrats on a decent counter to both our arguments, WaterMonkey and zil)

3 armies, actually. Sovereign deploys a normal army and an uncroaked army

It's a solid counter, so here's hoping that trying to counter BOTH our arguments with a single argument will weaken it a bit.

I think the fact that you both are trying to attack the same region will prevent it from being weakened. (Not same capital, but remember: Arkadia is a city-state within Anwoidia's borders )

[thetobias]

Soooo if both arguments win? City swap? I get Andwoidia's capital, Andwoidia get the Arcade?

[BLANDCorporatio]

No actually-> the combined Foolamancy expertize of Ordos and Arkadia confuses the Andwoidian army, which ends up attacking the peace-keeping forces.

1. Both House Ordos and Arkadia have some kind of FOOLAMANCY EXPERTIZE or MASTER FOOLAMANCER.
2. Their LEADERS are, respectively, CUNNING and MASTERFUL TACTICIAN.
3. Because of these two sides' AMIABLE RELATIONS and POWERFUL ECONOMIES, they understand that their mutual safety must be ensured.
(and heck, 4. Arkadia has a LARGE FLEET with which to produce decoys for the Andwoidian forces).

Heh. I wonder how this will come into play with the other arguments floating about.

[Sihoiba]

OK so changed argument:

No actually-> the combined Foolamancy expertize of Ordos and Arkadia confuses the Andwoidian army, which ends up attacking the peace-keeping forces.

1. Both House Ordos and Arkadia have some kind of FOOLAMANCY EXPERTIZE or MASTER FOOLAMANCER.
2. Their LEADERS are, respectively, CUNNING and MASTERFUL TACTICIAN.
3. Because of these two sides' AMIABLE RELATIONS and POWERFUL ECONOMIES, they understand that their mutual safety must be ensured.
(and heck, 4. Arkadia has a LARGE FLEET with which to produce decoys for the Andwoidian forces).

Heh. I wonder how this will come into play with the other arguments floating about.

Yes and the Risun forces are drawn into the grand melee resulting in DEVASTATING LOSSES for all sides.
1) Risun forces consist of a FANATICAL ARMY that can't resist attacking the brazen heather forces of their enemies.
2) All forces in the battle are either DISCIPLINED, EXPERIENCED, COMPETENT or STRONG and unlikely to be defeated without inflicting significant losses on their foes.
3) The Peacekeeping force is using ANTI-PERSONNEL MINES which are indiscriminate weapons hurting any who come in contact with them.

[LTDave]

1st Round
Risun attacks and captures Andwoidia's capital.
Yes, and due too Arkadian support the attack is VERY SUCCESSFUL. Rating: Very Strong Target: 5 Roll: 4 Result: SUCCESS!
No, actually, Andwoidia takes control of Arkadia before Risun's forces arrive Rating: Normal Target: 3 Roll: 4 Result: FAILURE.

No, actually The Lord Protector deploys Escotian forces as peacekeepers to stop both Risun and Andwoidian forces:
Yes, and Gerardion helps Escotian forces to stop the invading forces. Rating: Strong Target: 4 Roll: 4 Result: SUCCESS!
No actually-> the combined Foolamancy expertize of Ordos and Arkadia confuses the Andwoidian army, which ends up attacking the peace-keeping forces.
Yes and the Risun forces are drawn into the grand melee resulting in DEVASTATING LOSSES for all sides. Rating: Strong Target: 4 Roll: 6 Result: FAILURE.

The Queendom of Frank continues training its fliers to UNMATCHED STATUS Rating: Very Strong Target: 5 Roll: 1 Result: SUCCESS!
Dominaria increases the variety of its POWERFUL GOLEMS into POWERFULY SKILLED MINING GOLEMS, POWERFUL WARRIOR GOLEMS, and POWERFUL GARRISON GOLEMS. Rating: Normal Target: 3 Roll: 5 Result: FAILURE.

2nd Round (to resolve competing arguments)
Risun attacks and captures Andwoidia's capital.
Yes, and due too Arkadian support the attack is VERY SUCCESSFUL. Rating: Very Strong Target: 5 Roll: 6 Result: FAILURE.

No, actually The Lord Protector deploys Escotian forces as peacekeepers to stop both Risun and Andwoidian forces:
Yes, and Gerardion helps Escotian forces to stop the invading forces. Rating: Strong Target: 4 Roll: 4 Result: SUCCESS!



Shusagi
Side: Andwoidia
Ruler: Mr.Roboto
Andwoidia has a LOYAL ARMY
Andwoidia has POWERFUL SEIGE
Andwoidia has an EXPERIENCED FOOLAMANCER
Mr.Roboto has been predicted to have a FAVORABLE FATE
Andwoidia is surrounded by NATURAL ALLIES
The Weather Toffs are allied with Andwoidia
Arcadia is actually a city state within Andwoidia
Arkadia, Risun, Andwoidia, and the Weather Toffs form a POWERFUL COALITION
Risun breaks alliance promptly, launching a strike force deep into Andwoidia and capturing core cities.

BLANDCorporatio
Side: House Ordos.
House Ordos has a POWERFUL ECONOMY.
House Ordos has a BAD REPUTATION WITH OTHER SIDES.
House Ordos produces STRONG MAGIC ITEMS.
House Ordos has a MERCENARY* ARMY.
House Ordos has a CUNNING LEADER.
The Ordos are a part of the Risun's trade network
House Ordos has an ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY from selling antipersonnel mines to Escotia.
House Ordos has POWERFUL SIEGE.
House Ordos obtains FOOLAMANCY EXPERTISE in exchange for installing STUFFAMANCY ARTILLERY* in Arkadia.

Sihoiba
Weather Toffs
Ruler: The Great Lord Fahrenheit
The Weather Toffs have FAST SCOUTS.
The Weather Toffs have POWERFUL FLYERS.
The Weather Toffs have a FLYING CAPITAL.
The Weather Toffs have an EXPERT PREDICTAMANCER.
The Weather Toffs have an ENORMOUS TREASURY.
The Weather Toffs have located the forces of the opposing empires.
The Weather Toffs are allied with Andwoidia
The WeatherToffs have sneaked a large flying force into Escotia.
The Commonwealth of Escotia defeats the Weather Toffs' flying incursion force in battle
Arkadia, Risun, Andwoidia, and the Weather Toffs form a POWERFUL COALITION

WaterMonkey314
Side: The Commonwealth of Escotia
Ruler: The Lord Protector
Escotia is an ISLAND NATION.
Escotia has a VAST EMPIRE.
Escotia has an INVINCIBLE NAVY.
Escotia has a DISCIPLINED ARMY.
Escotia has BRILLIANT CASTERS.
Escotia has a BOOMING ECONOMY
Escotia has ANTIPERSONNEL MINES
The Commonwealth of Escotia hires Frankish flyers and casters
The Commonwealth of Escotia defeats the Weather Toffs' flying incursion force in battle
No, actually The Lord Protector deploys Escotian forces as peacekeepers to stop both Risun and Andwoidian forces:

Iylzara
Side: The Queendom of Frank
Ruler: Queen Frank
The Queendom of Frank is A MOUNTAIN NATION
The Queendom of Frank is MINERAL RICH
The Queendom of Frank has a SMALL ARMY
The Queendom of Frank has A LOT OF FLIERS
The Queendom of Frank has MANY SHOCKAMANCERS
The Queendom of Frank has a LARGE SCALE MINING OPERATION
Queendom of Frank sells fliers and shockamancers to Risun for a large MERCENARY PAYMENT.
The Queendom of Frank earns a HIGH REPUTATION FOR MERCENARY WORK
The Queendom of Frank accumulates a TREMENDOUS ECONOMY
The Queendom of Frank continues training its fliers to UNMATCHED STATUS

Nihila
Side: Risun
Ruler: Emperor Hai Tro Chen
The Empire of Risun has a FANATICAL ARMY.
The Empire of Risun controls VALUABLE PORTS.
The Empire of Risun has an EXPERIENCED AIR FORCE.
The Empire of Risun has a COMPETENT NAVY.
The Empire of Risun has a SHREWD RULER.
Risun has a TRADE NETWORK
Risun launches a series of piratical raids on Andwoidia's coastal cities, capturing many and razing the rest.
Queendom of Frank sells fliers and shockamancers to Risun for a large MERCENARY PAYMENT.
Arcadia joins Risun's trade network
Arkadia, Risun, Andwoidia, and the Weather Toffs form a POWERFUL COALITION
Risun breaks alliance promptly, launching a strike force deep into Andwoidia and capturing core cities.

Daemonwelsh
Side: Dominaria
Ruler: Urza
Dominaria has a POWERFUL MILITIA
Dominaria has LOYAL MINERS
Dominaria has SKILLED MINERS
Dominaria's capital, Urza's tower, is built DEEP UNDERGROUND
Dominaria has NUMEROUS MINERS
Dominaria has begun an EARTHAMANCY BATTERY
Dominaria has a set of POWERFUL ARTIFACTS: the EARTHAMANCY BATTERY, a powerplant powered by PURE URZA, and a massive EARTHAMANCY TOWER
Dominaria has a mass produced army of POWERFUL GOLEMS
Gerardion supplies Dominaria with additional gems, taking some of Dominaria's SKILLED MINERS as payment.

zilfallon
Side: Gerardion
Ruler: Sovereign
Gerardion possesses a STRONG GROUND-FORCE.
Gerardion has a POWERFUL CROAKAMANCER.
Gerardion's capital, Castle Gerardion, is HEAVILY FORTIFIED.
Castle Gerardion has GEM MINES.
Gerardion has a POWERFUL LOOKAMANCER.
Gerardion creates an UNCROAKED ARMY.
Gerardion supplies Dominaria with additional gems, taking some of Dominaria's SKILLED MINERS as payment.

thetobias
Side Arkadia
Ruler The Munchking
The Munchking is a BRILLIANT TACTICIAN
Arkadia has a LARGE FLEET
The Arcade is a GRAND CITY (level 5 with a lot of income)
Arkadia is a FLOURISHING CITY-STATE
Arkadia has a MASTER-CLASS FOOLAMANCER
Arcadia is actually a city state within Andwoidia
Arcadia joins Risun's trade network
House Ordos obtains FOOLAMANCY EXPERTISE in exchange for installing STUFFAMANCY ARTILLERY* in Arkadia.
Arkadia, Risun, Andwoidia, and the Weather Toffs form a POWERFUL COALITION


48 hours begins now.

[Iylzara]

The Queendom of Frank launches a series of devastating raids against Risun's inner territories

1. The Queendom of Frank has UNMATCHED FLIERS
2. The Queendom of Frank has MANY SHOCKAMANCERS
3. The armies of Risun are deep in Andwoidia capturing core cities.

[Nihila]

No, actually, Risun's garrison troops easily defeat the Frankish invasion, routing Frank's forces.
1) Due to Risun's work with Frankish forces in attacking Andwoidia, Risun knows Frankish tactics.
2) Because Frank is a MOUNTAIN NATION, their attempts at attacking Risun's VALUABLE PORTS (flat land, coastal) are ill-planned.
3) Risun's TRADE NETWORK enables them to buy defensive STRONG MAGIC ITEMS from House Ordos.

[Shusagi]

Andwoidia launches a second, much more powerful assault against Arcadia, this time succeeding in taking control of Arcadia.
Reasons:
1) Peacekeeping forces were successful in defending Andwoidia from invasion, allowing it to commit more troops to the attack
2) Andwoidia was successful in avoiding Arcadia and Ordos' foolamancy, and now uses its own EXPERIENCED FOOLAMANCER to avoid the notice of Arcadia or the peacekeepers
3) Andwoidia's POWERFUL SEIGE is aided by the POWERFUL FLIERS of their closest ally, the Weather Toffs

[thetobias]

Andwoidia launches a second, much more powerful assault against Arcadia, this time succeeding in taking control of Arcadia.
Reasons:
1) Peacekeeping forces were successful in defending Andwoidia from invasion, allowing it to commit more troops to the attack
2) Andwoidia was successful in avoiding Arcadia and Ordos' foolamancy, and now uses its own EXPERIENCED FOOLAMANCER to avoid the notice of Arcadia or the peacekeepers
3) Andwoidia's POWERFUL SEIGE is aided by the POWERFUL FLIERS of their closest ally, the Weather Toffs

No, actually Andwoidia's forces fail at capturing Arkadia and end up being decimated, leaving Andwoidia's capital open for a devastating counterattack.
Reasons:
0) He misspelled the nation name, so obviously he wants to take another target. (j/k)
1) Peacekeeping forces work in concord with Arkadian defenses to mount an INSURPASSABLE DEFENSE
2) Arkadia's MASTER-CLASS FOOLAMANCER and Ordos FOOLAMANCY EXPERTISE trumps Andwoidia's EXPERIENCED FOOLAMANCER therefore seeing through the veils created by said foolamancer. (masterclass + multiple adept class > experienced)
3) Arkadia utilizes it's STUFFAMANCY BATTERY (firing key lime pie) to destroy any surviving infantry, siege or fliers reaching the city.

If this argument succeeds I invite you to enjoy your imminent destruction at the hands of The Munchking and Allies.

[Daemonwelsh]

Dominaria has an empire which rivals that of the histories of old, an empire which extends from all corners of the world to form a INDESCRIBABLE EMPIRE

1)Dominaria is DEEP UNDERGROUND
2)Dominaria has many SKILLED MINERS, and mass produces POWERFUL GOLEMS
3) Dominaria has yet to have been revealed in terms of its size, something which no other has sought to look for

Cue evil laughter

[thetobias]

Dominaria has an empire which rivals that of the histories of old, an empire which extends from all corners of the world to form a INDESCRIBABLE EMPIRE

1)Dominaria is DEEP UNDERGROUND
2)Dominaria has many SKILLED MINERS, and mass produces POWERFUL GOLEMS
3) Dominaria has yet to have been revealed in terms of its size, something which no other has sought to look for

Cue evil laughter

Hehe, nice job sneaking that up on us mate

[Daemonwelsh]

Dominaria has an empire which rivals that of the histories of old, an empire which extends from all corners of the world to form a INDESCRIBABLE EMPIRE

1)Dominaria is DEEP UNDERGROUND
2)Dominaria has many SKILLED MINERS, and mass produces POWERFUL GOLEMS
3) Dominaria has yet to have been revealed in terms of its size, something which no other has sought to look for

Cue evil laughter

Hehe, nice job sneaking that up on us mate

its been a while in coming....
I had to revise it three times... now it SHOULD be a strong argument.... you can never really tell...