Smoker wrote: Lamech wrote:
Sylvan wrote: I was saying "5 caster linkups may be less dangerous if there are multiple thinkamancers regulating the functions of the other casters and working in tandem. Maybe what is so dangerous about a 4-mancer linkup is ONE SINGLE THINKAMANCER regulating three other casters".
Links cast otherwise uncastable spells. Linking with three other casters is uncastable, according to Sizemore. A solution perhaps?
Nothing is impossible, but I'd be very surprised if this was the case. I mean, since Linking is so powerful and seems to be a function of ONLY the thinkamancers, you'd think they would have experimented with it the most. So link-ups of solely thinkamancers (in all sorts of numbers) should have been attempted.
I know we accept the Erfworlders as people who generally do not test the limits of their universe, but the MK is an environment where they spend turns and turns dicussing the theory of magic. They must
But again, nothing is impossible.
Very interesting point. I'm not sure I agree with you, since Thinkamancers are incredibly useful, scary casters,
(possibly able to affect the loyalty, duty, love etc. of your units, since those are natural thinkamancy, or able to create scrolls which do that) and since Thinkamancers may be required to given Warlords real-time instructions
(3rd bullet point[though yes, Archons can probably do it too, or perhaps any unit who can send a Thinkagram, which is why Charlie needs no Warlords], also recall that Charlie PROBABLY gets most of his revenue through Thinkagrams
which limit the juice of a Thinkamancer). (The Thinkagrams, which are incredibly useful, limit the juice of Thinkamancers in general, that is)
Of course, none of this means they never play around with link-ups, but apparently Sizemore is one of the few people in Erfworld who studies magic outside of his specialty
, so I'm not sure how much playing around they do with the rules. I mentioned in my first post that TMK probably still sells their services to most outside units for scrolls, communications, temporary loan of casters, etc to meet their upkeep (so even the Thinkamancers gotta use up that juice every turn on something
, and the debates which happen there seem to be a luxury not found in most of the rest of Erfworld.
So, while you have an excellent point, and if they were to have tried a 3x whatevermancer/ 2x Thinkamancer linkup it would have been in TMK (so Sizemore would have probably heard of it at some point), I do disagree that they must
have tried it because I think they could have found some other useful or scary way to spend their juice on any other given turn than playing around with linkups. And it won't surprise me in the slightest if Parson shows many Erfworlds that the way they think magic works if slightly off.
(Finally, and this is truly an ass-pull, since linking is basically a spell that one thinkamancer casts in order to meld their mind into an "alloy" with another caster
maybe they have only tried to create "ever more powerful" alloys with more powerful thinkamancers, when you have to do something more along the lines of....... have 2x whatevermancers form 2 separate links with 2 separate thinkamancers, then have a mastermind or dual-thinkamancer linkup [yes, SIX casters >.<] try to cast the "mind-alloy" spell on the separately linked groups. Once again, none of this is textually based, I think I only originally brought up the five-caster link idea because of how often we've seen Erfworlders have a limited view of their reality based opon the preconceptions they were popped with. It makes sense to me that they haven't tried everything
Sieggy wrote:Hmmmm . . . but then, consider the possibility of a pair of tri-caster links and a central coordinator. Someone with serious mojo . . . like an Arkendish . . . After all, Charlie is no dummy, and seems to be capable of some lateral thinking of his own.
That sounds a lot like a 3x thinkamancer / 4x whatevermancer linkup, and in fact I had originally thought of two linkups being coordinated by an outside group, but ditched it in favor of a 2x Thinkamancer / 3x Whatevermancer idea. But the addition of the Arkendish into any
linkup is bound to cause interesting things to happen. And I do believe you are absoluty right in thinking that if anyone is bound to have tried it out, it is Charlie. As I mentioned in my first post, while everyone else was baffled by the volcano Charlie intuitively guessed how Parson did it
. I expect him to know every which way to execute a caster linkup, and I think we'll see more "gamebreaking" spells coming from Charlscomm or its allies.
Dr Pepper wrote:Possibilities
1. All casters are able to link with only one other caster-- except Thinkamancers, wh can link with two. Hence the arrangement of a trimancer link is not a triangle, but a line segment, with the Thinkamancer in the center, passing thoughts through, but not actually letting the minds of the other two touch. C-M-C That suggests that the only viable 4mancer link is C-M-M-C, where each Thinkamancer has only two links and each of the others has only one. This could be extended indefinately C-(M)*-C, but it wouldn't do anything.
Unfortunately not true (according to Sizemore). See my above link at "linking is basically a spell that one...." in this post. Linking is a trick that ONLY Thinkamancers can do.