zilfallon wrote:Tiger wrote:Wait, what? Are you saying that being a good diplomat somehow makes you able to predict that your opponent is about to exploit a loophole in the rules of the world in a way that nobody has ever thought of before? Because this whole "Tramennis is stupid" thing is becoming very tiresome. The only person who saw this coming was Charlie, and he gave Tram nothing but a nonspecific warning about how clever Parson was. Even Jack, who knows Parson and his way of thinking better than anyone else in Erfworld (including a certain warlord who learned of Parson's existence less than half an hour ago) had no idea what Parson was about to do until he got his orders. Parson thinking in ways Erfworlders don't, coming up with strategies Erfworlders can't, is arguably the entire point of the comic. Tramennis cannot in any reasonable sense be blamed for not realizing that Gobwin Knob could do anything other than S-bomb unimportant targets. If you take a moment to understand that you, the reader, have a privileged perspective that characters in the comic do not have access to, you'll realize Tram's actions are perfectly sensible for the situation he (and everyone else in the comic) thought he was in.
You aren't getting the point. He (or we) isn't saying that he's holding the idiot ball because he can't see the impossible. First, i suggest you read the definition of "holding the idiot ball" from Oberon's link. Holding the idiot ball and being a moron is different. Second, Tram DOESN'T NEED TO PREDICT THE IMPOSSIBLE. No one's blaming for him. All that's being said is, a character that's portrayed as a smart diplomat failing at the first diplomatic action means that he's holding the idiot ball. He could have stopped this mess and started a real parley easly, and then showed us his diplomatic skills. But he didn't. He had the choice, but he didn't.
Seriously? That's your argument? That because he's been established as a skilled diplomat, the fact that he failed to negotiate a truce before Parson did something that you admit he could not possibly have foreseen means he's carrying the Idiot Ball? That if a character who is described as skilled at something doesn't automatically and instantly succeed whenever they do that something, they're an idiot? Words fail me, not least because you've completely misunderstood what the Idiot Ball means. This isn't even an example, let alone the "very definition". A slightly more accurate trope to link to would be Informed Ability, but even that doesn't fit.