GaryThunder wrote:1. I understand that stack bonuses max out at 8, but why should units not simply merge into one super-stack and let all of their various bonuses pile up onto each other?
GaryThunder wrote:2. Since leadership bonuses are so powerful, why not form 8-man stacks of high-level warlords and crush everyone's faces with heavily buffed stacks with attacks of thirty, forty, or more?
They do that. We've seen it at least twice, and possibly three times, that I can recall -- Translyvito's bats are one example, as you mention, but there's also Wanda's leading the uncroaked hordes in the dance-fight near the end of TBfGW, and Stanley moving with large dwagon forces at least twice (first when taking Faq, second when fleeing at the end of tBfGK) -- it seems likely (though isn't explicitly stated) that he was traveling in a single stack in those instances. I'm pretty sure the "stack bonuses max at 8" think means that you get bonuses for having more units in a stack up to 8 units per stack, and after that more units offer no additional bonuses above and beyond their normal fighting strength. This doesn't really have much effect on tactics beyond suggesting a minimum of eight units in an unled stack, as grouping units in larger stacks can have much greater advantages (such as receiving a warlord's leadership bonus) and there doesn't seem to be any penalty for larger stacks as far as we know.
I don't believe that leadership bonuses stack. There can only be one "leader" in a stack at a time, even if there is more than one warlord. While you probably could pile all your warlords in one stack to make a ridiculously powerful force based on their abilities as warriors, it's largely more efficient to spread them out among different stacks so their bonuses actually get used.
GaryThunder wrote:So if warlords give leadership bonuses to everyone in their stack, why bother with lower-level warlords? Why not have one high-leadership warlord leading a massive stack consisting of every other unit? Even if the other warlords' leadership doesn't count, that's still far more efficient than putting them into smaller stacks. If Ansom gives ten to everyone in his stack but only five to everyone in his hex, why not put every unit in his hex into a massive stack led by him? There has to be a reason why not, or they'd be doing it.
GaryThunder wrote:Ossomer at the bridge was leading a stack of Noble warlords, and Tramennis, which is why the Archons had to Shockmancy everyone but the Princes in that stack.* Ansom said specifically that they "couldn't possibly win" against Ossomer in his stack, whereas he did fairly well against Ossomer once the stack was shocked and Tramennis was neutralized (he knocked him out in one blow, after all). If the warlords hadn't been shocked and Tramennis hadn't been gummed up, Ossomer would have cleaned Ansom's clock, even with Wanda's bonus (and the Arkenpliers artifact bonus). The Shockmancy and dwagon breath negated their leadership bonuses. I think they stack
GaryThunder wrote:Ossomer did say that Ansom had bested him before, "...but that...was when you were a man!" Slam. "To dust! Return! Be free!" Maybe Decrypted aren't quiiiiite up to par with their old selves after all, despite not decaying and not losing their levels. Or maybe Ossomer is just boasting.
GaryThunder wrote:Eh...I suppose leadership bonuses don't stack. But then this comic doesn't make sense. Jillian is level 9. Caesar is really tough, but almost certainly not actually tougher than that. He might, might be level 10, but I doubt that. And yet despite her very high level, Caesar grabs her and nearly breaks her wrist without even appearing to try hard. My theory is that he's being buffed by all the other warlords in his stack. How else is he so easily overpowering Jillian, who is tough as hell?
Thunder wrote:i was wondering when 8 man stacks are mentioned as a max, does that mean that the bonuses applied to a stack effect only 7 other units in the stack and then not effect the remaining?
this seems like the only way to possibly explain why you would stop at 8 as opposed to massing a stack under the highest warlord
Compare the French emperor Napolean I to Mike Tyson. Who is tougher? The warlord level and it's bonus is likely to be different from the unit combat statistics. Jillian's combat stats might be linked to the sword. I think you could call womens gymnastics a tough sport. A young women with a medal in uneven bars might have good reason to be afraid of getting mugged or raped in a dark ally.
charles wrote:I guess Ceasar was probably counted as being in a stack with his other warlords at the time so maybe he had a +7 bonus from that which made the difference...
effataigus wrote:Another bit of info regarding stack mechanics... not sure how to interpret it though:
From Sammy: "Restack the entire column," he told the Captain, without looking up. "Warlords with archery, every archer stack with a Warlord or a multilevel scout." He crumpled the message and dropped it on the road. "Watch the skies."
Archon's reaction: "That ache had moved to the pit of her stomach when Sammy ordered the column to restack for maximum veil-spotting. "Watch the skies," he'd said."
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