JohnATallon wrote:Seriously, you've missed the point I was trying to make. I used the word "also" in my first sentence because a big deal was being made by teratorn about Caesar's status as Heir and potential rebel. In addition to being Heir (an important position, no doubt), Caesar is also Chief Warlord, another important position. Chief Warlords are given tremendous latitude in how they help their side. They are second only to Ruler/Overlord in terms of agency to exercise free will. It has been implied that the title is not one normally transferred lightly, so though mechanically it may only take a simple declaration to change the title, actually doing so is a weighty and momentous occasion, as evidenced by how aghast everyone was that Stanley demoted Parson, and how the only other instances of CWL changes being made in other factions have been due to deaths. It is also heavily implied because Charlie refuses to have a CWL, even though it would save him money in administration of his city and enable Charlie to focus more exclusively on his telecom business.
It's true I misunderstood your point. I'll say a few Hails to the King (Elvis) on Ash Wednesday. But I thank you for providing a perfect example for me to use to support my argument that Don should disband Caesar. A lot has been made of the hit to loyalty for transferring the CWL title without the death of the prior holder. But as you pointed out, Stanley did just that. And not much later (Erf time, it was about 17 years real time) Jack was offered a chance to turn and be with his crush Jillian and away from the horrible Overlord who had so damaged his casters loyalty by swapping out the CWL who had just saved everyone for yet another pretty boy. But did Jack turn? Nope.
JohnATallon wrote:You've misunderstood again, I believe. I was not referring to Translyvito's ability to survive the fight in Spacerock. I was talking about Jetstone's ability to survive that fight, which is germane to the discussion about the loan because if Jetstone's king is croaked, Jetstone ceases to exist.
Ok, I've misunderstood again. But so have you. The entire point
of the loan is to remove the weakness you cite: Jetstone will no longer end if Slately is killed with a living Tram left alive to repay the loan.
Chit Rule Railroad wrote:To clarify, I'm not describing a TV warlord surrendering instead of resisting a siege. I'm thinking about a TV warlord using Charlie to send an unsolicited thinkagram to Carpool, offering to flip an entire city, along with its bats, battle bears, firebirds, and dolls.
You're assuming a lot. All of the unit turning we've seen or heard about has been on an individual level, with the sole exception of natural allies. The lead warlord in some L2 city might offer to turn, but there isn't anything in the comic which suggests that this warlord is able to order the bats, battle bears, firebirds, and dolls to turn with him. And again, the receiving side would have to want
relatively low powered units with a very low loyalty score. Prisoners are simply executed, why would turncoats be welcomed?
Chit Rule Railroad wrote:In fact, the word "warlord" is most often used to describe regions where military power is decentralized enough to allow such things to happen.
The label does not mean that at all in Erfworld, where every warlord is subject to absolute orders which can include anything from "slap yourself, hard" (as Parson was ordered by Stanley) to "drop to your knees and pleasure me" (as Maggie described Parson's command abilities to him, and this as the CWL and not even the overlord.)